Comments on: Typical bogosity — the “censorship” furor http://www.dbms2.com/2005/10/10/typical-bogosity-the-censorship-furor/ Choices in data management and analysis Fri, 25 Jul 2008 01:42:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Time for a new view indeed | El Mundo Con Otros Ojos http://www.dbms2.com/2005/10/10/typical-bogosity-the-censorship-furor/#comment-88839 Time for a new view indeed | El Mundo Con Otros Ojos Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:02:56 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=16#comment-88839 [...] Monash sent me this link. There he writes that the editing of the comments was not performed by him, but rather by Computer [...] [...] Monash sent me this link. There he writes that the editing of the comments was not performed by him, but rather by Computer [...]

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2005/10/10/typical-bogosity-the-censorship-furor/#comment-729 Curt Monash Tue, 14 Mar 2006 06:31:58 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=16#comment-729 Bob, We disagree strongly about Fabian's level of commitment to advancing truth. Cheers, CAM Bob,

We disagree strongly about Fabian’s level of commitment to advancing truth.

Cheers,

CAM

]]> By: Bob Badour http://www.dbms2.com/2005/10/10/typical-bogosity-the-censorship-furor/#comment-685 Bob Badour Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:16:42 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=16#comment-685 With respect to point number 5, you admit that the editor in question is not qualified to judge the arguments he censored. No publication that pretends to inform the public has any business censoring a scientific argument for 'tone', and I don't see that as an excuse. I apologize if I am mistaken that your point 5 at least partially tries to excuse the censorship. Quite frankly there is no polite way to expose a charlatan for what he is. Consider the potential harm to the public if the scientific community were not allowed to expose charlatans. Further, I see no valid argument for censoring a scientist's reference to his own work. In a case such as Fabian's, where he has already published extensively debunking exactly the sort of nonsense he was responding to, a short reference to that existing body of work is entirely appropriate. In fact, I would look upon a scientist who failed to demonstrate his knowledge of the prior work in the field with great suspicion even if I do not always follow up on every bibliographical reference. In short, you did the right thing by opposing the censorship. Unfortunately, this industry has been overrun by pretenders like Computerworld. Eventually, we need to drive the pretenders out. With respect to point number 5, you admit that the editor in question is not qualified to judge the arguments he censored.

No publication that pretends to inform the public has any business censoring a scientific argument for ‘tone’, and I don’t see that as an excuse. I apologize if I am mistaken that your point 5 at least partially tries to excuse the censorship.

Quite frankly there is no polite way to expose a charlatan for what he is. Consider the potential harm to the public if the scientific community were not allowed to expose charlatans.

Further, I see no valid argument for censoring a scientist’s reference to his own work. In a case such as Fabian’s, where he has already published extensively debunking exactly the sort of nonsense he was responding to, a short reference to that existing body of work is entirely appropriate. In fact, I would look upon a scientist who failed to demonstrate his knowledge of the prior work in the field with great suspicion even if I do not always follow up on every bibliographical reference.

In short, you did the right thing by opposing the censorship. Unfortunately, this industry has been overrun by pretenders like Computerworld. Eventually, we need to drive the pretenders out.

]]> By: Tom http://www.dbms2.com/2005/10/10/typical-bogosity-the-censorship-furor/#comment-612 Tom Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:49:53 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=16#comment-612 I really enjoy reading your articles. Keep up the great work. TBoardenson I really enjoy reading your articles. Keep up the great work.
TBoardenson

]]> By: DBMS2 — DataBase Management System Services»Blog Archive » More flame war stupidity http://www.dbms2.com/2005/10/10/typical-bogosity-the-censorship-furor/#comment-178 DBMS2 — DataBase Management System Services»Blog Archive » More flame war stupidity Fri, 09 Dec 2005 16:18:34 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=16#comment-178 [...] Robert Seiner (publisher of TDAN) and Fabian Pascal are now claiming that Computerworld approached Bob and asked him to do something about the false charge that I personally engaged in censorship. To the best of my knowledge, they’re both lying. It was just me, and me alone, who approached Bob, which is exactly what one would think, if for some odd reason one cared about the matter at all. I don’t have the faintest idea why they fabricated this story, or what they think it demonstrates — but they did. [...] [...] Robert Seiner (publisher of TDAN) and Fabian Pascal are now claiming that Computerworld approached Bob and asked him to do something about the false charge that I personally engaged in censorship. To the best of my knowledge, they’re both lying. It was just me, and me alone, who approached Bob, which is exactly what one would think, if for some odd reason one cared about the matter at all. I don’t have the faintest idea why they fabricated this story, or what they think it demonstrates — but they did. [...]

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