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	<title>Comments on: Can MySQL scale?</title>
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		<title>By: Pythian Group Blog &#187; Log Buffer #29: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/01/23/can-mysql-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-21281</link>
		<dc:creator>Pythian Group Blog &#187; Log Buffer #29: a Carnival of the Vanities for DBAs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Mar 2007 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Curt Monash of DBMS2&#8217;s blog points to a paper analyzing MySQL hosting on a grid. One observation: &#8220;Some people write really, really bad MySQL web applications.&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Curt Monash of DBMS2&#8217;s blog points to a paper analyzing MySQL hosting on a grid. One observation: &#8220;Some people write really, really bad MySQL web applications.&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: James Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2007 23:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that they may be in the habit of copying MyISAM tables around for load balancing, presumably while the shared server is still running, to avoid interfering with other customers. That almost guarantees index corruption if the table is in active write use. That shouldn&#039;t surprise anyone.

High volume workloads aren&#039;t a problem for MySQL. I doubt that that is all the story behind the applications/customers they have found troublesome. Shared hosting almost inevitably means resource over-allocation and pricing below the real cost needed for high demand users, particularly those with inefficient applications. We don&#039;t know enough about their troublesome customers to know what the problems really were.

InnoDB - the transactional engine anyone serious about uptime and reliability would be wanting to use - can&#039;t be copied while the server is live and isn&#039;t prone to the MyISAM corruption risk you get when doing that live copying. It&#039;s also less likely to suffer it in general use, though that&#039;s fortunately not commonly encountered by MyISAM either.

Filip, InnoDB is the default engine for Windows, MyISAM for Linux, so the non-ACID default isn&#039;t true for around half of all installations.

James Day, Support Engineer, MySQL AB, first DBA, Wikipedia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that they may be in the habit of copying MyISAM tables around for load balancing, presumably while the shared server is still running, to avoid interfering with other customers. That almost guarantees index corruption if the table is in active write use. That shouldn&#8217;t surprise anyone.</p>
<p>High volume workloads aren&#8217;t a problem for MySQL. I doubt that that is all the story behind the applications/customers they have found troublesome. Shared hosting almost inevitably means resource over-allocation and pricing below the real cost needed for high demand users, particularly those with inefficient applications. We don&#8217;t know enough about their troublesome customers to know what the problems really were.</p>
<p>InnoDB &#8211; the transactional engine anyone serious about uptime and reliability would be wanting to use &#8211; can&#8217;t be copied while the server is live and isn&#8217;t prone to the MyISAM corruption risk you get when doing that live copying. It&#8217;s also less likely to suffer it in general use, though that&#8217;s fortunately not commonly encountered by MyISAM either.</p>
<p>Filip, InnoDB is the default engine for Windows, MyISAM for Linux, so the non-ACID default isn&#8217;t true for around half of all installations.</p>
<p>James Day, Support Engineer, MySQL AB, first DBA, Wikipedia.</p>
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		<title>By: DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services&#187;Blog Archive &#187; MySQL IPO &#8212; not so fast</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/01/23/can-mysql-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-16889</link>
		<dc:creator>DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services&#187;Blog Archive &#187; MySQL IPO &#8212; not so fast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2007 18:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MySQL told Computer Business Review they&#8217;re thinking strongly of an IPO this year, but also wouldn&#8217;t mind waiting. Frankly, I think they shouldn&#8217;t come public until they can prove solid acceptance of Version 5, because Version 4 remains in too many ways an embarrassment. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MySQL told Computer Business Review they&#8217;re thinking strongly of an IPO this year, but also wouldn&#8217;t mind waiting. Frankly, I think they shouldn&#8217;t come public until they can prove solid acceptance of Version 5, because Version 4 remains in too many ways an embarrassment. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Toby</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 01:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, my thoughts exactly. PgSQL isn&#039;t the only alternative out there. There&#039;s also Firebird, but I haven&#039;t tried it myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, my thoughts exactly. PgSQL isn&#8217;t the only alternative out there. There&#8217;s also Firebird, but I haven&#8217;t tried it myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/01/23/can-mysql-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-16490</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t need broad datatype support, Ingres may be the best of the bunch.  

Actually, I wouldn&#039;t be shocked if they fixed datatype extensibility as well.  They had the guts of that technology in the product over a decade ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t need broad datatype support, Ingres may be the best of the bunch.  </p>
<p>Actually, I wouldn&#8217;t be shocked if they fixed datatype extensibility as well.  They had the guts of that technology in the product over a decade ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Filip Rembiałkowski</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/01/23/can-mysql-scale/comment-page-1/#comment-16486</link>
		<dc:creator>Filip Rembiałkowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 23:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not news for anyone who studied opensource database systems. 
MySQL default setup is not even ACID compliant. 
You could try MySQL w/InnoDB (it&#039;s at least ACID), but it still lacks some basic functionality, like triggers. And please don&#039;t tell me that MySQL has triggers. They&#039;re severely limited.

If you want a full-featured, solid opensource RDBMS, get PostgreSQL. Really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not news for anyone who studied opensource database systems.<br />
MySQL default setup is not even ACID compliant.<br />
You could try MySQL w/InnoDB (it&#8217;s at least ACID), but it still lacks some basic functionality, like triggers. And please don&#8217;t tell me that MySQL has triggers. They&#8217;re severely limited.</p>
<p>If you want a full-featured, solid opensource RDBMS, get PostgreSQL. Really.</p>
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