Comments on: Ingres tries to become relevant again http://www.dbms2.com/2007/03/08/ingres-tries-to-become-relevant-again/ Choices in data management and analysis Sat, 06 Mar 2010 03:00:32 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: The Monash Report»Blog Archive » Have analytics vendors rediscovered ease-of-deployment? http://www.dbms2.com/2007/03/08/ingres-tries-to-become-relevant-again/comment-page-1/#comment-22067 The Monash Report»Blog Archive » Have analytics vendors rediscovered ease-of-deployment? Sat, 17 Mar 2007 01:12:00 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/03/08/ingres-tries-to-become-relevant-again/#comment-22067 [...] Ingres is headed in the same direction. [...] [...] Ingres is headed in the same direction. [...]

]]> By: Mark R. Winston http://www.dbms2.com/2007/03/08/ingres-tries-to-become-relevant-again/comment-page-1/#comment-21267 Mark R. Winston Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:54:05 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/03/08/ingres-tries-to-become-relevant-again/#comment-21267 When you say that "Ingres doesn’t meet that standard.", in reference to being easier to administer than Oracle or MS SQL Server, I think you're incorrect. Ingres has historically been fundamentally easy to administer, with on-line backups and auto-sizing files (where tables and indexes are stored) being long-standing features. Oracle's backup/recovery scenarios are at the very least complex, and MS SQL Server is locked into the Windows OS paradigm. If you're saying that Ingres hasn't had a history of great GUI tools, that's correct, although since Ingres 2.6 the VDBA suite has been very robust, offering a graphical front-end for detailed views of table structures and usage and analysis of journal files (tx records "cleared" from the primary tx log) to name a few. I would argue, however, that the retention of Ingres character-based and command-line management tools through the latest release is something that is relied upon by Ingres DBA's administering some of the most critical public and private sector data on the planet. When you are on-call with a problem that requires "dialing-in" to analyze the situation, the last thing you want is a bloated interface, web or otherwise, when you're connection is 14.4K over your mobile phone :) If you wanted to provide mid-range OLTP database services you'd be hard pressed to match Ingres DBMS on GNU/Linux with an offering from either Oracle or Microsoft that was either as easy to manage or comparably priced, especially for 64-bit, so if Ingres can generate the recognition for what it has I'd say it's market prospects look very good, in fact. When you say that “Ingres doesn’t meet that standard.”, in reference to being easier to administer than Oracle or MS SQL Server, I think you’re incorrect. Ingres has historically been fundamentally easy to administer, with on-line backups and auto-sizing files (where tables and indexes are stored) being long-standing features. Oracle’s backup/recovery scenarios are at the very least complex, and MS SQL Server is locked into the Windows OS paradigm. If you’re saying that Ingres hasn’t had a history of great GUI tools, that’s correct, although since Ingres 2.6 the VDBA suite has been very robust, offering a graphical front-end for detailed views of table structures and usage and analysis of journal files (tx records “cleared” from the primary tx log) to name a few. I would argue, however, that the retention of Ingres character-based and command-line management tools through the latest release is something that is relied upon by Ingres DBA’s administering some of the most critical public and private sector data on the planet. When you are on-call with a problem that requires “dialing-in” to analyze the situation, the last thing you want is a bloated interface, web or otherwise, when you’re connection is 14.4K over your mobile phone :)

If you wanted to provide mid-range OLTP database services you’d be hard pressed to match Ingres DBMS on GNU/Linux with an offering from either Oracle or Microsoft that was either as easy to manage or comparably priced, especially for 64-bit, so if Ingres can generate the recognition for what it has I’d say it’s market prospects look very good, in fact.

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