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	<title>Comments on: MySQL/IBM &#8212; will everybody please calm down?</title>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/04/26/mysql-ibm-iseries/#comment-30991</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2007 03:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll confess to conflating a couple of issues in error.  One is the properties of IBM&#039;s built-in data management systems; the other is the lack of third-party RDBMS support.

The AS/400 is a pretty successful platform, but still very little third party system software runs on it, or sells well if it does.

The lack of Oracle et al. on the AS/400 had a HUGE amount to do with the lack of a C compiler.

As for your claims about a &quot;fully relational&quot; database management system from Day 1 -- which definition of &quot;fully relational&quot; are you using?  While I&#039;m aware of a number of such definitions (some of them with partisans who believe they have the One True Definitions, others favored by more tolerant people), off the top of my head I can&#039;t think of any that makes your claim true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll confess to conflating a couple of issues in error.  One is the properties of IBM&#8217;s built-in data management systems; the other is the lack of third-party RDBMS support.</p>
<p>The AS/400 is a pretty successful platform, but still very little third party system software runs on it, or sells well if it does.</p>
<p>The lack of Oracle et al. on the AS/400 had a HUGE amount to do with the lack of a C compiler.</p>
<p>As for your claims about a &#8220;fully relational&#8221; database management system from Day 1 &#8212; which definition of &#8220;fully relational&#8221; are you using?  While I&#8217;m aware of a number of such definitions (some of them with partisans who believe they have the One True Definitions, others favored by more tolerant people), off the top of my head I can&#8217;t think of any that makes your claim true.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Waterbury</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/04/26/mysql-ibm-iseries/#comment-30926</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Waterbury</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 16:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The IBM System/38 was the first commercially available system with a fully relational database built in.

Your comment about having to wait for a C compiler to port an RDBMS to the AS/400 is equally absurd; OS/400 had DB2 integrated and built-in since DAY ONE.

And your suggestion that the AS/400 database has some &quot;wierdness&quot; is also misleading. While it may not have always stayed in &quot;lock step&quot; with DB2 on other supported platforms, it has usually been the first DB2 to support many important features.  Admittedly the System/38 and early AS/400 used a non-standard Data Definition Specifications (DDS) to define database tables, but support for SQL DDL has been available since the early &#039;90s (OS/400 V2 timeframe). In 1994 when V3R1 became available, IBM added support for referential integrity constraints and triggers.

DB2/400 UDB now supports more ANSI SQL DML and DDL standards than  Oracle or Microsoft SQL Server (or any other commercially available DBMS), &gt; 99% of the SQL standards, while Microsoft and Oracle support </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The IBM System/38 was the first commercially available system with a fully relational database built in.</p>
<p>Your comment about having to wait for a C compiler to port an RDBMS to the AS/400 is equally absurd; OS/400 had DB2 integrated and built-in since DAY ONE.</p>
<p>And your suggestion that the AS/400 database has some &#8220;wierdness&#8221; is also misleading. While it may not have always stayed in &#8220;lock step&#8221; with DB2 on other supported platforms, it has usually been the first DB2 to support many important features.  Admittedly the System/38 and early AS/400 used a non-standard Data Definition Specifications (DDS) to define database tables, but support for SQL DDL has been available since the early &#8217;90s (OS/400 V2 timeframe). In 1994 when V3R1 became available, IBM added support for referential integrity constraints and triggers.</p>
<p>DB2/400 UDB now supports more ANSI SQL DML and DDL standards than  Oracle or Microsoft SQL Server (or any other commercially available DBMS), &gt; 99% of the SQL standards, while Microsoft and Oracle support</p>
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		<title>By: DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services&#187;Blog Archive &#187; IBM&#8217;s mid-range OLTP offering gets strengthened</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/04/26/mysql-ibm-iseries/#comment-28892</link>
		<dc:creator>DBMS2 &#8212; DataBase Management System Services&#187;Blog Archive &#187; IBM&#8217;s mid-range OLTP offering gets strengthened</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2007 04:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] just going ahead and skipping that step. The note is about IBM&#8217;s mid-range flavor of DB2, targeted directly at MySQL.  Today, IBM announced that its popular DB2 9 Express-C software is now available with an optional [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] just going ahead and skipping that step. The note is about IBM&#8217;s mid-range flavor of DB2, targeted directly at MySQL.  Today, IBM announced that its popular DB2 9 Express-C software is now available with an optional [...]</p>
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