Comments on: OK, now I get it — the guys at Ab Initio have something to spin or hide http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/ Choices in data management and analysis Sun, 20 Jul 2008 13:49:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Spartacus http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-70341 Spartacus Fri, 01 Feb 2008 18:11:31 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-70341 Maybe she will start a new trend for companies appointing an 'Eccentric Founder'. Personally, I feel that 'Crap Manager' would be more appropriate... Maybe she will start a new trend for companies appointing an ‘Eccentric Founder’.
Personally, I feel that ‘Crap Manager’ would be more appropriate…

]]> By: Jaune Tom IV http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60627 Jaune Tom IV Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:58:10 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60627 But we cannot tell if AI's employee roll is growing or shrinking -- and rumors I heard suggest the latter ;-) Also, the absence of any VP titles from any search results (LinkedIn, ZoomInfo) raises questions about the company's organizational structure ;-) Is Mme Handler really handling everything herself? ;-) ;-) Cheers, Jaune But we cannot tell if AI’s employee roll is
growing or shrinking — and rumors I heard
suggest the latter ;-)

Also, the absence of any VP titles from any
search results (LinkedIn, ZoomInfo) raises
questions about the company’s organizational
structure ;-)

Is Mme Handler really handling everything
herself? ;-) ;-)

Cheers,

Jaune

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60625 Curt Monash Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:42:29 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60625 Ahh. Just saw your comment in moderation (that happens when there are multiple URLs). Good call on LinkedIn. I have about 100 people in my network w/ current jobs at Ab Initio, vs. 177 at Netezza or 254 at MySQL. Since I'd expect better coverage at the latter two than the former, that suggests Ab Initio is decently sized. CAM Ahh. Just saw your comment in moderation (that happens when there are multiple URLs).

Good call on LinkedIn. I have about 100 people in my network w/ current jobs at Ab Initio, vs. 177 at Netezza or 254 at MySQL. Since I’d expect better coverage at the latter two than the former, that suggests Ab Initio is decently sized.

CAM

]]> By: Jaune Tom IV http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60617 Jaune Tom IV Sat, 17 Nov 2007 15:03:46 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60617 Ab Initio's annual report is viewable at http://tinyurl.com/26n32, courtesy of the Commonwealth of Massachussetts ;-) Cheers, Jaune Ab Initio’s annual report is viewable at
http://tinyurl.com/26n32, courtesy of the
Commonwealth of Massachussetts ;-)

Cheers,

Jaune

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60602 Curt Monash Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:23:48 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60602 Yep, Kris -- you got the point of my Thunderstone analogy perfectly. :) And Thunderstone isn't nearly as bad as Ab Initio. They actually have execs with disclosed names who sometimes talk to outsiders or are even -- gasp -- quoted in the media. They put out press releases and all that. Ab Initio is in a whole different league of paranoid weirdness. CAM Yep, Kris — you got the point of my Thunderstone analogy perfectly. :)

And Thunderstone isn’t nearly as bad as Ab Initio. They actually have execs with disclosed names who sometimes talk to outsiders or are even — gasp — quoted in the media. They put out press releases and all that.

Ab Initio is in a whole different league of paranoid weirdness.

CAM

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60601 Curt Monash Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:21:44 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60601 Hi again, Jaune, Your tinyurl looks a lot like the link I put in the main post. What's your source for an Ab Initio annual report? I'm under the impression they're not publicly held or making filings. Thanks, CAM Hi again, Jaune,

Your tinyurl looks a lot like the link I put in the main post.

What’s your source for an Ab Initio annual report? I’m under the impression they’re not publicly held or making filings.

Thanks,

CAM

]]> By: Kris Tuttle http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60596 Kris Tuttle Sat, 17 Nov 2007 10:19:18 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60596 I remember spending a few hours talking to Thunderstone in hushed tones over the phone where they assured me they were the best in the business. At the time I believe they were in fact running search on eBay so there was something to it. But to get investors and customers you have to have a clear story that you can share at least to a limited and qualified audience. I know longer waste time working with companies that don't talk. This company sounds like one we will never hear about again despite their catchy name... ;-) I remember spending a few hours talking to Thunderstone in hushed tones over the phone where they assured me they were the best in the business. At the time I believe they were in fact running search on eBay so there was something to it.

But to get investors and customers you have to have a clear story that you can share at least to a limited and qualified audience. I know longer waste time working with companies that don’t talk.

This company sounds like one we will never hear about again despite their catchy name… ;-)

]]> By: Jaune Tom IV http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60574 Jaune Tom IV Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:43:01 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60574 Ab Initio's 2006 Annual Report shows 8,900,679 shares issued and outstanding against a total of 24,000,000 authorized shares, par value of $0.00100. Cheers, Jaune Ab Initio’s 2006 Annual Report shows 8,900,679
shares issued and outstanding against a total
of 24,000,000 authorized shares, par value of
$0.00100.

Cheers,

Jaune

]]> By: Jaune Tom IV http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60573 Jaune Tom IV Sat, 17 Nov 2007 07:31:11 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60573 Information on Sheryl Handler may be foud here: http://tinyurl.com/2xyg24 Information on Ab Initio may be found here: http://tinyurl.com/yodwwj The corporate registration may be found here: http://tinyurl.com/yvqfxg Mme Handler is listed as President, CEO, Treasurer and Director. Clifford Lasser is listed as Secretary and Director. James L. Burke is listed as CFO. No equity information is provided. Speak about closely held! Mme Handler is clearly bent on outdoing Howard Hughes! ;-) Quick search on LinkedIn reveals 100+ employees, however some records may be stale. 5 people are listed as directors, 15 as managers, no one as VP. Cheers, Jaune Information on Sheryl Handler may be foud here: http://tinyurl.com/2xyg24
Information on Ab Initio may be found here: http://tinyurl.com/yodwwj
The corporate registration may be found here: http://tinyurl.com/yvqfxg

Mme Handler is listed as President, CEO, Treasurer and Director. Clifford
Lasser is listed as Secretary and Director. James L. Burke is listed as CFO.

No equity information is provided. Speak about closely held! Mme Handler is
clearly bent on outdoing Howard Hughes! ;-)

Quick search on LinkedIn reveals 100+ employees, however some records may
be stale. 5 people are listed as directors, 15 as managers, no one as VP.

Cheers,

Jaune

]]> By: Jaune Tom IV http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60570 Jaune Tom IV Sat, 17 Nov 2007 06:57:59 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/#comment-60570 Check this: http://tinyurl.com/oydwx Jaune Check this: http://tinyurl.com/oydwx

Jaune

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