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	<title>Comments on: Open source DBMS as a business model</title>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/01/16/open-source-dbms-as-a-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-68204</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Dan, I was blurring the distinction between &quot;Free&quot; and &quot;Very cheap&quot;.  :)

But I wasn&#039;t thinking of cases where developer versions are cheap/free, but you have to pay big bucks to deploy ANY app.  That&#039;s just a common delivery model now, including among companies that make no pretense at being open source.  Indeed, I&#039;d guess half or more of the non-appliance vendors I write about in this blog have some sort of a model like that.

Best,

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Dan, I was blurring the distinction between &#8220;Free&#8221; and &#8220;Very cheap&#8221;.  <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But I wasn&#8217;t thinking of cases where developer versions are cheap/free, but you have to pay big bucks to deploy ANY app.  That&#8217;s just a common delivery model now, including among companies that make no pretense at being open source.  Indeed, I&#8217;d guess half or more of the non-appliance vendors I write about in this blog have some sort of a model like that.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Weinreb</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/01/16/open-source-dbms-as-a-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-68166</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Weinreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 10:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does the third item (&quot;Sort of!&quot;) include dual-licensing models, in which the product is free for you to download and use by yourself, but requires licensing if you use it in a product?  This is how SleepyCat&#039;s Berkeley DB is sold.  And now they&#039;re owned by Oracle, so Sun may not be the first.

I think Sun&#039;s &quot;Glassfish&quot; open-source J2EE app server uses something like this, but it&#039;s hard to tell from the web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the third item (&#8221;Sort of!&#8221;) include dual-licensing models, in which the product is free for you to download and use by yourself, but requires licensing if you use it in a product?  This is how SleepyCat&#8217;s Berkeley DB is sold.  And now they&#8217;re owned by Oracle, so Sun may not be the first.</p>
<p>I think Sun&#8217;s &#8220;Glassfish&#8221; open-source J2EE app server uses something like this, but it&#8217;s hard to tell from the web site.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/01/16/open-source-dbms-as-a-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-68107</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 20:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info, John!

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info, John!</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: John Sequeira</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/01/16/open-source-dbms-as-a-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-68102</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sequeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 19:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Then try to think of cases of them actually customizing DBMS. Can you?&quot;

Google and Skype have hacked the dbms source code of mysql and postgres and made nontrivial source code contributions back to the parent project.

http://code.google.com/p/google-mysql-tools/
http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/archives/2007/03/15/postgresql-projects-at-skype/

I&#039;ll bet Yahoo did as well, but it&#039;s not always something folks make public.

Then of course instead of doing it in-house, enterprises can simply fund the development via bug bounty etc. and control the roadmap indirectly in a way that&#039;s not possible with off-the-shelve dbms.  

Not something that&#039;s often useful but I wouldn&#039;t discount it for web vendors who can save a ton of licensing money by strategic spending to extend an OSS platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then try to think of cases of them actually customizing DBMS. Can you?&#8221;</p>
<p>Google and Skype have hacked the dbms source code of mysql and postgres and made nontrivial source code contributions back to the parent project.</p>
<p><a href="http://code.google.com/p/google-mysql-tools/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/code.google.com');" rel="nofollow">http://code.google.com/p/google-mysql-tools/</a><br />
<a href="http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/archives/2007/03/15/postgresql-projects-at-skype/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/joseph.randomnetworks.com');" rel="nofollow">http://joseph.randomnetworks.com/archives/2007/03/15/postgresql-projects-at-skype/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll bet Yahoo did as well, but it&#8217;s not always something folks make public.</p>
<p>Then of course instead of doing it in-house, enterprises can simply fund the development via bug bounty etc. and control the roadmap indirectly in a way that&#8217;s not possible with off-the-shelve dbms.  </p>
<p>Not something that&#8217;s often useful but I wouldn&#8217;t discount it for web vendors who can save a ton of licensing money by strategic spending to extend an OSS platform.</p>
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		<title>By: Lobotomia</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/01/16/open-source-dbms-as-a-business-model/comment-page-1/#comment-68067</link>
		<dc:creator>Lobotomia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 12:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Open Source is the future in business model</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open Source is the future in business model</p>
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