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	<title>Comments on: Vertica update</title>
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	<description>Choices in data management and analysis</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-90301</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

I've covered the DBMS industry for over 26 years. I do not recall a single instance of a patent problem being big enough to affect customers.

Also, you are wasting my time with your deceptive actions -- fake URLs, breathless misinterpretations of patent law, and so on, not to mention your sheer spam.  Start behaving responsibly and I may take you and your cause more seriously.

Have a great day.

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve covered the DBMS industry for over 26 years. I do not recall a single instance of a patent problem being big enough to affect customers.</p>
<p>Also, you are wasting my time with your deceptive actions &#8212; fake URLs, breathless misinterpretations of patent law, and so on, not to mention your sheer spam.  Start behaving responsibly and I may take you and your cause more seriously.</p>
<p>Have a great day.</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Walters</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-90298</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt,

What's your agenda of refusing to even acknowledge the situation?. 

It is a major development that will have a significant impact on Vertica and perhaps all vendors that sell columnar technology.  Take a moment to review Sybase's patent.  It is well written and very specific and then provide your expert opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt,</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your agenda of refusing to even acknowledge the situation?. </p>
<p>It is a major development that will have a significant impact on Vertica and perhaps all vendors that sell columnar technology.  Take a moment to review Sybase&#8217;s patent.  It is well written and very specific and then provide your expert opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-90068</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 03:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bill,

What's your agenda in spamming my blog with dozens of comments about that lawsuit?

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill,</p>
<p>What&#8217;s your agenda in spamming my blog with dozens of comments about that lawsuit?</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Walters</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-90045</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Walters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 22:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will this blog investigate and report on the effect of the Sybase lawsuit against Vertica?  The suit filed in Texas Federal court says that Vertica "willfully" violated Sybase's 10 year old patent on the orgainzation of a columnar database to support decision support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When will this blog investigate and report on the effect of the Sybase lawsuit against Vertica?  The suit filed in Texas Federal court says that Vertica &#8220;willfully&#8221; violated Sybase&#8217;s 10 year old patent on the orgainzation of a columnar database to support decision support.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-84486</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 10:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few of the hardware-independent vendors offered subscription pricing in their beta phase, and technically probably still do.  I'm sure Greenplum is in that set; I vaguely remember that ParAccel might be as well.

Vertica was pretty much pre-revenue a year ago; I wouldn't pay too much attention now to whatever their pricing was then.

That said -- thank you very much for sharing!  And yes, this is license fee, presumably with standard annual maintenance pricing percentages.

Best,

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few of the hardware-independent vendors offered subscription pricing in their beta phase, and technically probably still do.  I&#8217;m sure Greenplum is in that set; I vaguely remember that ParAccel might be as well.</p>
<p>Vertica was pretty much pre-revenue a year ago; I wouldn&#8217;t pay too much attention now to whatever their pricing was then.</p>
<p>That said &#8212; thank you very much for sharing!  And yes, this is license fee, presumably with standard annual maintenance pricing percentages.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Tipoff</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-84472</link>
		<dc:creator>Tipoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 08:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Around a year ago I spoke to Vertica hn behalf of a telco looking for a CDR warehouse. The pricing given then was subscription based - $20k/TB/year, again user-data not compressed. Is this new pricing a one-off cost plus maintenance on top?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Around a year ago I spoke to Vertica hn behalf of a telco looking for a CDR warehouse. The pricing given then was subscription based - $20k/TB/year, again user-data not compressed. Is this new pricing a one-off cost plus maintenance on top?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-84441</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 02:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  It's definitely raw data.

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  It&#8217;s definitely raw data.</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Jim</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/05/08/vertica-update-3/#comment-84395</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 19:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you think they mean $150K / TB &lt;i&gt;compressed&lt;/i&gt; user data? So assuming 10:1 compression, that would be more like $15K / TB user data?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think they mean $150K / TB <i>compressed</i> user data? So assuming 10:1 compression, that would be more like $15K / TB user data?</p>
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