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	<title>Comments on: PostgreSQL vs. MySQL, as per EnterpriseDB</title>
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	<description>Choices in data management and analysis</description>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-123332</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 10:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

No choice you have is ideal. MySQL is in transition, the EnterpriseDB company is untrustworthy, and Oracle &quot;Classic&quot; is expensive.

If I were consulting to your project, I&#039;d try to understand more about your application needs, now and in the future, to try to figure out in what areas you need to pay up (if need be) for top-end features and in which areas cheap/good-enough gets the job done.

http://www.dbms2.com/2009/02/25/even-more-final-version-of-my-tdwi-slide-deck/ focused on analytics rather than OLTP, but if I did an OLTP one, it would have a similar general philosophy.

Best,

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>No choice you have is ideal. MySQL is in transition, the EnterpriseDB company is untrustworthy, and Oracle &#8220;Classic&#8221; is expensive.</p>
<p>If I were consulting to your project, I&#8217;d try to understand more about your application needs, now and in the future, to try to figure out in what areas you need to pay up (if need be) for top-end features and in which areas cheap/good-enough gets the job done.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/02/25/even-more-final-version-of-my-tdwi-slide-deck/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dbms2.com/2009/02/25/even-more-final-version-of-my-tdwi-slide-deck/</a> focused on analytics rather than OLTP, but if I did an OLTP one, it would have a similar general philosophy.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: mnsharif</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-123328</link>
		<dc:creator>mnsharif</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 09:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

Currently we deploy Oracle on 5 yo Solaris machines with active/passive using Veritas clustering. With additional business needs coming up, we are upgrading our machines (going intel and linux) to have something similar to no-single-point-of-failure architecture (a hw loadbalancer in front, 2 machines for app server, 2 dedicated database machines). This new set of machines were thought of keeping Oracle&#039;s RAC in mind. However, the licensing costs are prohibitive for us.

We are looking out for alternates and are stuck between MySQL and PostgreSQL (or even the thought to bear the cost of Oracle if MySQL and Postgre and not up to the task).

regards,
mnsharif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>Currently we deploy Oracle on 5 yo Solaris machines with active/passive using Veritas clustering. With additional business needs coming up, we are upgrading our machines (going intel and linux) to have something similar to no-single-point-of-failure architecture (a hw loadbalancer in front, 2 machines for app server, 2 dedicated database machines). This new set of machines were thought of keeping Oracle&#8217;s RAC in mind. However, the licensing costs are prohibitive for us.</p>
<p>We are looking out for alternates and are stuck between MySQL and PostgreSQL (or even the thought to bear the cost of Oracle if MySQL and Postgre and not up to the task).</p>
<p>regards,<br />
mnsharif</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-116646</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 14:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we DO use SELECT of course, it&#039;s just that for our most demanding app, we use mostly INSERT and UPDATE.
We &quot;cache&quot; as many objects as possible, which reduces the amount of SELECTs a LOT.

For instance, in this application and for 1 single operation, we have 2 SELECT / 3 INSERTS / 6 UPDATES.

This &quot;single operation&quot; is repeated tons of time each minute, and we basically need to be able to allow more and more of these in the future (that&#039;s why we were thinking about &quot;mysql cluster&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we DO use SELECT of course, it&#8217;s just that for our most demanding app, we use mostly INSERT and UPDATE.<br />
We &#8220;cache&#8221; as many objects as possible, which reduces the amount of SELECTs a LOT.</p>
<p>For instance, in this application and for 1 single operation, we have 2 SELECT / 3 INSERTS / 6 UPDATES.</p>
<p>This &#8220;single operation&#8221; is repeated tons of time each minute, and we basically need to be able to allow more and more of these in the future (that&#8217;s why we were thinking about &#8220;mysql cluster&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-116477</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are you doing queries if not via SELECT?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are you doing queries if not via SELECT?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-116394</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi guys,

We currently have a postgresql web application, using a lot of join queries.
Some times we need to process a lot of INSERTs / UPDATEs, we don&#039;t use SELECT massively.

We are now thinking about rewritting our app, and now that mysql matured, we are considering it for our new version. What interests us the most in &quot;MySql Cluster&quot; which seems to allow an easy / fast way to raise our capacity when expecting use pikes.

At this time, April 2009, would you seriously considere both solutions, with maybe a preference for mysql for the reasons described above ? or would you rather stick to postgresql (though at that time, we don&#039;t use procedures / views ... )

Thank you for your answers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p>
<p>We currently have a postgresql web application, using a lot of join queries.<br />
Some times we need to process a lot of INSERTs / UPDATEs, we don&#8217;t use SELECT massively.</p>
<p>We are now thinking about rewritting our app, and now that mysql matured, we are considering it for our new version. What interests us the most in &#8220;MySql Cluster&#8221; which seems to allow an easy / fast way to raise our capacity when expecting use pikes.</p>
<p>At this time, April 2009, would you seriously considere both solutions, with maybe a preference for mysql for the reasons described above ? or would you rather stick to postgresql (though at that time, we don&#8217;t use procedures / views &#8230; )</p>
<p>Thank you for your answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-112644</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 08:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both can be configured to hold a LOT of data.  As in petabyte-scale lots.

You need to say more to get useful advice. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both can be configured to hold a LOT of data.  As in petabyte-scale lots.</p>
<p>You need to say more to get useful advice. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: aFree4U</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-112604</link>
		<dc:creator>aFree4U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 00:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m trying to figure out witch database can hold more records? Mysql or postgresql. if you know please comment back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m trying to figure out witch database can hold more records? Mysql or postgresql. if you know please comment back.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Moore</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-90458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Neil Conway, thank you for correcting me. Especially for the pointer about the binary protocol. Now my only two wishes are for a more compact row/index format and a lighter wait connections or connections I can multiplex more then on query on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neil Conway, thank you for correcting me. Especially for the pointer about the binary protocol. Now my only two wishes are for a more compact row/index format and a lighter wait connections or connections I can multiplex more then on query on.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Zurek</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-90360</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Zurek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jul 2008 01:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One big issue with MySQL is that they continue to suffer from shipping products very late and with big quality issues.

 You won&#039;t find that with PostgreSQL. Nor EnterpriseDB Postgres Plus and Postgres Plus Advanced Server.

This week, a number of mentions about the Marten Mickos of MySQL being interviewed in the Wall Street Journal. He talks about his secret sauce being his teams culture. Seems like this culture is having problems getting a release out the door in a timely fashion and as planned. According to an article in ComputerWorld on April 15, 2008 of this year, (from the article) &quot;Marten Mickos, the former CEO of MySQL who is now a senior vice president at Sun....When we released MySQL 5.0, it didn&#039;t really meet our quality standards, he said today at the start of the MySQL Conference &amp; Expo in Santa Clara, Calif. &quot;With 5.1, we are being much more conservative, much harder on ourselves.....Mickos said it will release the production version by the end of June, or about three months later than planned.&quot; 

Here it is July and no signs of 5.1 shipping. This week Bruce Momjian of the PostgreSQL community will be speaking in Boston about the open source development process for PostgreSQL at the Massachusetts Technology Leadership Council Open Source Meeting. Maybe MySQL could learn something from Bruce&#039;s talk as PostgreSQL has had a great history of shipping highly reliable and very high quality product releases on time. Its ready when its ready and when it IS ready, it is made available.  I heard from a MySQL sales executive a month ago that the field sales team is very frustrated with the delay in their product shipping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One big issue with MySQL is that they continue to suffer from shipping products very late and with big quality issues.</p>
<p> You won&#8217;t find that with PostgreSQL. Nor EnterpriseDB Postgres Plus and Postgres Plus Advanced Server.</p>
<p>This week, a number of mentions about the Marten Mickos of MySQL being interviewed in the Wall Street Journal. He talks about his secret sauce being his teams culture. Seems like this culture is having problems getting a release out the door in a timely fashion and as planned. According to an article in ComputerWorld on April 15, 2008 of this year, (from the article) &#8220;Marten Mickos, the former CEO of MySQL who is now a senior vice president at Sun&#8230;.When we released MySQL 5.0, it didn&#8217;t really meet our quality standards, he said today at the start of the MySQL Conference &amp; Expo in Santa Clara, Calif. &#8220;With 5.1, we are being much more conservative, much harder on ourselves&#8230;..Mickos said it will release the production version by the end of June, or about three months later than planned.&#8221; </p>
<p>Here it is July and no signs of 5.1 shipping. This week Bruce Momjian of the PostgreSQL community will be speaking in Boston about the open source development process for PostgreSQL at the Massachusetts Technology Leadership Council Open Source Meeting. Maybe MySQL could learn something from Bruce&#8217;s talk as PostgreSQL has had a great history of shipping highly reliable and very high quality product releases on time. Its ready when its ready and when it IS ready, it is made available.  I heard from a MySQL sales executive a month ago that the field sales team is very frustrated with the delay in their product shipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Pushback on the PostgreSQL vs. MySQL comparison &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/07/07/postgresql-vs-mysql-as-per-enterprisedb/#comment-90351</link>
		<dc:creator>Pushback on the PostgreSQL vs. MySQL comparison &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 23:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should come as no surprise that not everybody agrees with EnterpriseDB&#8217;s views on the PostgreSQL/MySQL comparison. In particular, the High Availability MySQL blog offers a detailed rebuttal post, with more in the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should come as no surprise that not everybody agrees with EnterpriseDB&#8217;s views on the PostgreSQL/MySQL comparison. In particular, the High Availability MySQL blog offers a detailed rebuttal post, with more in the [...]</p>
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