Comments on: Coral8 proposes CEP as a BI data platform http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/ Choices in data management and analysis Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:57:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Aleri update | DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-168160 Aleri update | DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services Wed, 12 May 2010 23:45:07 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-168160 [...] forthcoming efforts outside the financial services market. John sees these as being focused around Coral8’s old “Continuous (Business) Intelligence” message, enhanced by Aleri’s Live OLAP. Aleri Live OLAP is an in-memory OLAP engine, [...] [...] forthcoming efforts outside the financial services market. John sees these as being focused around Coral8’s old “Continuous (Business) Intelligence” message, enhanced by Aleri’s Live OLAP. Aleri Live OLAP is an in-memory OLAP engine, [...]

]]> By: CEP market consolidation – Some thoughts « Only Decision Management, Technically Speaking http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-158222 CEP market consolidation – Some thoughts « Only Decision Management, Technically Speaking Thu, 04 Feb 2010 18:21:05 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-158222 [...] But much more dynamism needs to be achieved by the products themselves. At one point, there was some talk about CEP as a “real-time” OLAP replacement – it may well be that a positive path forward is the extension of OLAP into real time, leveraging [...] [...] But much more dynamism needs to be achieved by the products themselves. At one point, there was some talk about CEP as a “real-time” OLAP replacement – it may well be that a positive path forward is the extension of OLAP into real time, leveraging [...]

]]> By: Paul Vincent http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-101212 Paul Vincent Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:18:33 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-101212 Curt - oops! Cheers Curt – oops!
Cheers

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-100789 Curt Monash Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:18:58 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-100789 Paul, I contacted TIBCO suggesting they brief me. Once again, I'm being ignored. So I for now I think I'll just take your word for it and move on. ;) Best, CAM Paul,

I contacted TIBCO suggesting they brief me. Once again, I’m being ignored.

So I for now I think I’ll just take your word for it and move on. ;)

Best,

CAM

]]> By: Paul Vincent http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-100779 Paul Vincent Wed, 29 Oct 2008 22:15:27 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-100779 Curt / Neil: AFAIK (and apologies for the apparent trumpet blowing) TIBCO is the only Rete engine used for CEP at present - ie event-driven rule engine - the others are query/process based or EventConditionAction based. But there are plenty of non-Rete "rule engines" embedded in BPM tools that are but simple script engines. All the Rete vendors, of course, have custom optimizations. But Rete is only for declarative production rules, hence is not needed for decision tables or graphs (so: those vendors don't use it). Funnily enough, you can map a table / tree / graph to a bunch of production rules, but not (easily) vice versa. Hence the trend to use Rete. Indeed, the tech is so cool, Oracle just bought a 2nd Rete rule engine! Cheers Curt / Neil: AFAIK (and apologies for the apparent trumpet blowing) TIBCO is the only Rete engine used for CEP at present – ie event-driven rule engine – the others are query/process based or EventConditionAction based. But there are plenty of non-Rete “rule engines” embedded in BPM tools that are but simple script engines.

All the Rete vendors, of course, have custom optimizations. But Rete is only for declarative production rules, hence is not needed for decision tables or graphs (so: those vendors don’t use it). Funnily enough, you can map a table / tree / graph to a bunch of production rules, but not (easily) vice versa. Hence the trend to use Rete. Indeed, the tech is so cool, Oracle just bought a 2nd Rete rule engine!

Cheers

]]> By: Neil Raden http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-100271 Neil Raden Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:34:25 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-100271 Curt, You and me both, brother. -NR Curt,

You and me both, brother.

-NR

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-100211 Curt Monash Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:29:57 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-100211 Neil, I'm old enough to recall when Rete/forward-chaining was the exception, not the -- as it were -- rule. CAM Neil,

I’m old enough to recall when Rete/forward-chaining was the exception, not the — as it were — rule.

CAM

]]> By: Neil Raden http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-100207 Neil Raden Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:07:26 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-100207 Curt, Yeah, they use the Rete algorithm. Corticon claims to use an even faster one, citing limitations to Rete. JESS, JRules, DROOLS also use enhanced versions. Even Microsoft claims this for BizTalk. Blaze does, of course. In fact, I can't think of a rules engine that doesn't, but it isn't whether there is a Rete implementation, it's whether it actually improves things. -NR -NR Curt,

Yeah, they use the Rete algorithm. Corticon claims to use an even faster one, citing limitations to Rete. JESS, JRules, DROOLS also use enhanced versions. Even Microsoft claims this for BizTalk. Blaze does, of course. In fact, I can’t think of a rules engine that doesn’t, but it isn’t whether there is a Rete implementation, it’s whether it actually improves things.

-NR

-NR

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-100193 Curt Monash Wed, 22 Oct 2008 18:48:39 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-100193 Paul, RETE engine? That *is* serious rules processing! Unfortunately, TIBCO never seems to get around to briefing me, except occasionally on minor UI technologies. Paul,

RETE engine? That *is* serious rules processing!

Unfortunately, TIBCO never seems to get around to briefing me, except occasionally on minor UI technologies.

]]> By: Paul Vincent http://www.dbms2.com/2008/10/20/coral8-proposes-cep-as-a-bi-data-platform/#comment-100177 Paul Vincent Wed, 22 Oct 2008 14:18:45 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=614#comment-100177 Neil/Curt: CEP's role in "*** Intelligence" is nothing new - we at TIBCO call it Operational Intelligence. See http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/category/bi/ for some other thoughts on the overlap. FYI TIBCO's CEP engine is also rule-based, and indeed uses the same type of Rete engine used by the business rule vendors, but in a low-latency event-driven distributed data + processing grid format. Cheers Neil/Curt: CEP’s role in “*** Intelligence” is nothing new – we at TIBCO call it Operational Intelligence.

See http://tibcoblogs.com/cep/category/bi/ for some other thoughts on the overlap.

FYI TIBCO’s CEP engine is also rule-based, and indeed uses the same type of Rete engine used by the business rule vendors, but in a low-latency event-driven distributed data + processing grid format.

Cheers

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