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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/15/how-to-buy-an-analytic-dbms-overview/#comment-235253</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 18:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Arvind,

I&#039;m not even going to look at a 2001 Gartner quote, unless it&#039;s for historical reasons. ;)

http://www.monash.com/adviseusers.html may be relevant, however. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Arvind,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not even going to look at a 2001 Gartner quote, unless it&#8217;s for historical reasons. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><a href="http://www.monash.com/adviseusers.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.monash.com/adviseusers.html</a> may be relevant, however. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Arvind</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/15/how-to-buy-an-analytic-dbms-overview/#comment-235223</link>
		<dc:creator>Arvind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2011 11:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt,

We are currently in the process of selecting a DBMS vendor and I am trying to compare the TCO of different vendors. I came across this article quoting Gartner research:

http://www.teradata.com/library/pdf/tco.pdf

This seems dated (2001) and wondering what relevance it has in today&#039;s market. Can you comment?

Thank you
Arvind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt,</p>
<p>We are currently in the process of selecting a DBMS vendor and I am trying to compare the TCO of different vendors. I came across this article quoting Gartner research:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.teradata.com/library/pdf/tco.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.teradata.com/library/pdf/tco.pdf</a></p>
<p>This seems dated (2001) and wondering what relevance it has in today&#8217;s market. Can you comment?</p>
<p>Thank you<br />
Arvind.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/15/how-to-buy-an-analytic-dbms-overview/#comment-124722</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 06:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amr,

Not to worry. Experience shows that trackback technology is not exactly bulletproof ...

Best,

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amr,</p>
<p>Not to worry. Experience shows that trackback technology is not exactly bulletproof &#8230;</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Amr Awadallah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amr Awadallah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 05:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, that trackback was not supposed to happen :), this is our internal wiki. Checking into reason, thanks for pointing out. (would appreciate it you delete it).

Thx,

-- amr</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, that trackback was not supposed to happen <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> , this is our internal wiki. Checking into reason, thanks for pointing out. (would appreciate it you delete it).</p>
<p>Thx,</p>
<p>&#8211; amr</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 21:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. That has to be one of my odder trackbacks ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. That has to be one of my odder trackbacks &#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/15/how-to-buy-an-analytic-dbms-overview/#comment-105354</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 20:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth,

Exactly. 

But the real reason it&#039;s not in those slides is just a matter of expository flow. The points you raised were in the words of my talk much more than they were in the slides.  

And even so the word &quot;cost&quot; is in them at least twice. I checked. ;)

My theory is that a large fraction of the discussion boils down to TCO anyway. Cash cost for license and maintenance fees may or may not be a big part of overall TCO.  And to the frustration of my clients at Kognitio, I&#039;m not in love with the argument that eliminating capex is a huge benefit in and of itself.  After all, one can usually just lease the equipment one buys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth,</p>
<p>Exactly. </p>
<p>But the real reason it&#8217;s not in those slides is just a matter of expository flow. The points you raised were in the words of my talk much more than they were in the slides.  </p>
<p>And even so the word &#8220;cost&#8221; is in them at least twice. I checked. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My theory is that a large fraction of the discussion boils down to TCO anyway. Cash cost for license and maintenance fees may or may not be a big part of overall TCO.  And to the frustration of my clients at Kognitio, I&#8217;m not in love with the argument that eliminating capex is a huge benefit in and of itself.  After all, one can usually just lease the equipment one buys.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Grimes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seth Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 14:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, you&#039;re right.  Hosted data warehousing holds an infinitesimal market share.  Still, there are other examples such as Vertica&#039;s use of the Amazon cloud.

Regarding budgets, (to further argue against myself), there&#039;s the truism that data integration and cleansing can be expensive, and open source does not eliminate those labor costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, you&#8217;re right.  Hosted data warehousing holds an infinitesimal market share.  Still, there are other examples such as Vertica&#8217;s use of the Amazon cloud.</p>
<p>Regarding budgets, (to further argue against myself), there&#8217;s the truism that data integration and cleansing can be expensive, and open source does not eliminate those labor costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/15/how-to-buy-an-analytic-dbms-overview/#comment-105225</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Dec 2008 04:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth,

I certainly agree that the &quot;Are you hopelessly prejudiced?&quot; class of questions is important. But while &quot;Are you hopelessly prejudiced in favor of your incumbent DBMS?&quot; and &quot;Are you hopelessly prejudiced against specialized hardware?&quot; will each get enough &quot;Yes&quot;es to be deserve top billing, I don&#039;t see the same sort of commitment yet to data warehousing SaaS.  It&#039;s a rare buyer that won&#039;t seriously consider an inhouse solution.

As for &quot;Check your budget&quot; -- I seriously hope I don&#039;t have to put THAT on a slide in an hour-long talk.

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth,</p>
<p>I certainly agree that the &#8220;Are you hopelessly prejudiced?&#8221; class of questions is important. But while &#8220;Are you hopelessly prejudiced in favor of your incumbent DBMS?&#8221; and &#8220;Are you hopelessly prejudiced against specialized hardware?&#8221; will each get enough &#8220;Yes&#8221;es to be deserve top billing, I don&#8217;t see the same sort of commitment yet to data warehousing SaaS.  It&#8217;s a rare buyer that won&#8217;t seriously consider an inhouse solution.</p>
<p>As for &#8220;Check your budget&#8221; &#8212; I seriously hope I don&#8217;t have to put THAT on a slide in an hour-long talk.</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Grimes</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/15/how-to-buy-an-analytic-dbms-overview/#comment-105191</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, you visited Kognitio, an analytical DBMS vendor that is pitching &quot;data as a service,&quot; and don&#039;t see as an explicit, general question, &quot;Would you be better off with a hosted solution?&quot;

Kognitio&#039;s isn&#039;t the only hosted analytical DBMS that comes to mind of course. There&#039;s also, for instance, LucidEra for folks doing performance management. And -- the reason I mention LucidEra particularly -- there&#039;s what should possibly be your question 8:

8. What&#039;s your budget?

That question springs relates to LucidEra because the analytical DBMS that backs LucidEra, LucidDB, if free, open source, as are the MonetDB analytical DBMS and MySQL+Infobright.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, you visited Kognitio, an analytical DBMS vendor that is pitching &#8220;data as a service,&#8221; and don&#8217;t see as an explicit, general question, &#8220;Would you be better off with a hosted solution?&#8221;</p>
<p>Kognitio&#8217;s isn&#8217;t the only hosted analytical DBMS that comes to mind of course. There&#8217;s also, for instance, LucidEra for folks doing performance management. And &#8212; the reason I mention LucidEra particularly &#8212; there&#8217;s what should possibly be your question 8:</p>
<p>8. What&#8217;s your budget?</p>
<p>That question springs relates to LucidEra because the analytical DBMS that backs LucidEra, LucidDB, if free, open source, as are the MonetDB analytical DBMS and MySQL+Infobright.</p>
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