Comments on: Gartner’s 2009 Magic Quadrant for Business Intelligence http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/ Choices in data management and analysis Thu, 09 Feb 2012 16:57:09 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-109466 Curt Monash Fri, 06 Feb 2009 06:02:01 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-109466 The last time I was briefed on Spotfire was before it was acquired by TIBCO. Nor have I been briefed on TIBCO's CEP capabilities at all. Yes, this is a (repeat) hint. CAM The last time I was briefed on Spotfire was before it was acquired by TIBCO. Nor have I been briefed on TIBCO’s CEP capabilities at all.

Yes, this is a (repeat) hint.

CAM

]]> By: TIm Wormus http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-109393 TIm Wormus Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:33:56 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-109393 I think the we (TIBCO Spotfire) scored highly on the completeness of vision more as a result of some of the things that we're doing to integrate Spotfire with TIBCO's Complex Event processing and BPM technologies, as well as the acquisition of Insightful, which added S+, a proprietary sibling of the R statistical language to the Spotfire platform. That addition provides predictive and statistical analytic tools akin to what SAS offers. In-memory analytics are cool, but you're right that if that was all that Spotfire brought to the table, the vision wouldn't be as complete as the MQ indicates. I think the we (TIBCO Spotfire) scored highly on the completeness of vision more as a result of some of the things that we’re doing to integrate Spotfire with TIBCO’s Complex Event processing and BPM technologies, as well as the acquisition of Insightful, which added S+, a proprietary sibling of the R statistical language to the Spotfire platform. That addition provides predictive and statistical analytic tools akin to what SAS offers.

In-memory analytics are cool, but you’re right that if that was all that Spotfire brought to the table, the vision wouldn’t be as complete as the MQ indicates.

]]> By: Amy Groden-Morrison http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-109389 Amy Groden-Morrison Thu, 05 Feb 2009 20:05:34 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-109389 The Gartner MQ continues to raise controversy...look at the recent back and forth on public blogs between one slighted vendor and Gartner's Andreas Bitterer: http://blogs.gartner.com/andreas_bitterer/2008/12/28/setting-the-record-straight/ Re: TIBCO, in-memory is picking up speed but I think the cool thing with TIBCO is how it allows real-time, event-driven BI (through data streams) The Gartner MQ continues to raise controversy…look at the recent back and forth on public blogs between one slighted vendor and Gartner’s Andreas Bitterer:
http://blogs.gartner.com/andreas_bitterer/2008/12/28/setting-the-record-straight/

Re: TIBCO, in-memory is picking up speed but I think the cool thing with TIBCO is how it allows real-time, event-driven BI (through data streams)

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-108520 Curt Monash Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:04:16 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-108520 Pete, You overstate the case. Gartner does honest research. Indeed, companies -- many of which are Gartner's and my clients alike -- drive themselves crazy answering Gartner's requests for information. Where Gartner goes awry is in its misleading presentation of what the research does or doesn't show. CAM Pete,

You overstate the case. Gartner does honest research. Indeed, companies — many of which are Gartner’s and my clients alike — drive themselves crazy answering Gartner’s requests for information.

Where Gartner goes awry is in its misleading presentation of what the research does or doesn’t show.

CAM

]]> By: Pete http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-108483 Pete Thu, 29 Jan 2009 03:38:16 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-108483 I have an impression (it would be great if I am wrong) that Gartner's Magic Quadrants is a one big joke. If vendor doesn't pay them subscription fees Gartner will not write or include vendor even the vendor has many customer and solid revenue. But if someone with sales and customers base close to zero will hire Gartner, those crooks would write everything was paid for. Too bad it does not have a disclaimer "Paid Advertisement". So as a customer I have to do my homework each time and pay little attention to what Gartner wrote. I have an impression (it would be great if I am wrong) that Gartner’s Magic Quadrants is a one big joke. If vendor doesn’t pay them subscription fees Gartner will not write or include vendor even the vendor has many customer and solid revenue. But if someone with sales and customers base close to zero will hire Gartner, those crooks would write everything was paid for. Too bad it does not have a disclaimer “Paid Advertisement”. So as a customer I have to do my homework each time and pay little attention to what Gartner wrote.

]]> By: Larry Dooley http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-108211 Larry Dooley Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:34:42 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-108211 A couple of comments. First, having seen IBM mess up acquisitions of BI companies in the past (see Metaphor) while pushing stuff like 'AS' (failed product) and QMF. I'm not sanquine about Cognos. Nor does BO's acquisition by SAP make me happy either. Just can't imagine SAP not making BO very SAP Centric. I see Microsoft as a good play for smaller microsoft centric shops although Microsoft doesn't have a track record of playing well with others. Where does IBI go after Gerry? A couple of comments. First, having seen IBM mess up acquisitions of BI companies in the past (see Metaphor) while pushing stuff like ‘AS’ (failed product) and QMF. I’m not sanquine about Cognos.

Nor does BO’s acquisition by SAP make me happy either. Just can’t imagine SAP not making BO very SAP Centric.

I see Microsoft as a good play for smaller microsoft centric shops although Microsoft doesn’t have a track record of playing well with others.

Where does IBI go after Gerry?

]]> By: Neil Raden http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-108209 Neil Raden Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:49:12 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-108209 Curt, Actually, Cognos licensed Composite quite a while ago, before being acquired by IBM. Composite's federation, the last time I saw it, had no real caching that I could see, except perhaps of some metadata, but I'm not sure. Perhaps that has changed in the 2+ years since I evaluated it. As for the MQ, it was a bad idea that has reached a perfected level of badness. -NR Curt,

Actually, Cognos licensed Composite quite a while ago, before being acquired by IBM. Composite’s federation, the last time I saw it, had no real caching that I could see, except perhaps of some metadata, but I’m not sure. Perhaps that has changed in the 2+ years since I evaluated it.

As for the MQ, it was a bad idea that has reached a perfected level of badness.

-NR

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]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-107979 Curt Monash Fri, 23 Jan 2009 13:17:46 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-107979 Anonymous DW Consultant, You're making up a few figures there, in what seems to generally be a spate of wildly imaginative blog comments today. But yes, DATAllegro did create the (hard to verify one way or the other in retrospect) impression of having an average of several million dollars in product revenue per user, while also creating an (apparently incorrect) impression of having a low double-digit number of users. Anonymous DW Consultant,

You’re making up a few figures there, in what seems to generally be a spate of wildly imaginative blog comments today.

But yes, DATAllegro did create the (hard to verify one way or the other in retrospect) impression of having an average of several million dollars in product revenue per user, while also creating an (apparently incorrect) impression of having a low double-digit number of users.

]]> By: Stuart Mullins http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/22/gartners-2009-magic-quadrant-for-business-intelligence/#comment-107937 Stuart Mullins Thu, 22 Jan 2009 22:43:21 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=665#comment-107937 Composite Information Server is a data federation engine. IBM/Cognos licensed it for inclusion in Cognos8 v4 to provide multi-source reporting capability. Composite Information Server is a data federation engine. IBM/Cognos licensed it for inclusion in Cognos8 v4 to provide multi-source reporting capability.

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