Comments on: Introduction to Pentaho http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/ Choices in data management and analysis Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:19:33 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: Jim Goodnight on Open Source- and why he is right -sigh | DECISION STATS http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/#comment-189529 Jim Goodnight on Open Source- and why he is right -sigh | DECISION STATS Mon, 01 Nov 2010 10:43:33 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=671#comment-189529 [...] http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/ [...] [...] http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/ [...]

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]]> By: Nick Halsey http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/#comment-111691 Nick Halsey Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:53:05 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=671#comment-111691 Hi Curt, I feel the need to clarify one point here, Pentaho's statement that "As an example of technical breadth, Pentaho says that its Mondrian OLAP engine is used by Jaspersoft." In point of fact, Mondrian is a shared project who's copyrights are owned by many individuals and organizations, including Sherman Wood, the BI architect at Jaspersoft. Sherman has been a committer for Mondrian since before Pentaho "adopted" the project, and while they have done a great job of creating the impression they "own" the project, they do not. Julian Hyde, the Mondrian project lead, does some work for them, but spends most of his time as founder and Chief Architect at SQL*Stream. I agree that Lance does a fabulous job of marketing for the company, but on this point I take umbrage. sorry I missed you at TDWI, Nick Hi Curt,
I feel the need to clarify one point here, Pentaho’s statement that “As an example of technical breadth, Pentaho says that its Mondrian OLAP engine is used by Jaspersoft.” In point of fact, Mondrian is a shared project who’s copyrights are owned by many individuals and organizations, including Sherman Wood, the BI architect at Jaspersoft. Sherman has been a committer for Mondrian since before Pentaho “adopted” the project, and while they have done a great job of creating the impression they “own” the project, they do not. Julian Hyde, the Mondrian project lead, does some work for them, but spends most of his time as founder and Chief Architect at SQL*Stream. I agree that Lance does a fabulous job of marketing for the company, but on this point I take umbrage.
sorry I missed you at TDWI,
Nick

]]> By: Lance http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/#comment-108619 Lance Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:02:46 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=671#comment-108619 Hi Curt and Pete, Apologies if we caused any confusion, but it's worth clarifying a couple of points. - The "wins over proprietary BI" are wins over proprietary BI. Some of them are replacements, but the majority are competitive wins for [new] projects, and we try to be clear about that although it's not totally obvious in the slide. And we don't count something as a "win" just because the customer mentions another vendor, only if they tell us that they were seriously considering selecting that vendor. - Download numbers can frequently be misleading in a general sense in open source. It's good to have high downloads, and to see downloads growing, especially when you're getting started as an open source project as we were 4 years ago. But these days, we actively try to reduce "download inflation" by bundling multiple modules into a single install, making it clearer what people do and don't need, etc. But as I said, not something that is unique to Pentaho from my conversations with others in open source. - Data mining isn't as mainstream as traditional Query, Reporting, and Analysis in the BI market generally, but it's definitely an important part of our offering. The UK National Health Service is a good real-world example. That said, a lot of the use is either in academia, or is considered too competitively sensitive for companies to talk publicly about from the ones that we have approached for case studies, so we don't have as many for that as we do for other products or our BI Suite. Thanks again for the conversation, Curt. -Lance Hi Curt and Pete,

Apologies if we caused any confusion, but it’s worth clarifying a couple of points.

- The “wins over proprietary BI” are wins over proprietary BI. Some of them are replacements, but the majority are competitive wins for [new] projects, and we try to be clear about that although it’s not totally obvious in the slide. And we don’t count something as a “win” just because the customer mentions another vendor, only if they tell us that they were seriously considering selecting that vendor.

- Download numbers can frequently be misleading in a general sense in open source. It’s good to have high downloads, and to see downloads growing, especially when you’re getting started as an open source project as we were 4 years ago. But these days, we actively try to reduce “download inflation” by bundling multiple modules into a single install, making it clearer what people do and don’t need, etc. But as I said, not something that is unique to Pentaho from my conversations with others in open source.

- Data mining isn’t as mainstream as traditional Query, Reporting, and Analysis in the BI market generally, but it’s definitely an important part of our offering. The UK National Health Service is a good real-world example. That said, a lot of the use is either in academia, or is considered too competitively sensitive for companies to talk publicly about from the ones that we have approached for case studies, so we don’t have as many for that as we do for other products or our BI Suite.

Thanks again for the conversation, Curt.

-Lance

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/#comment-108469 Curt Monash Wed, 28 Jan 2009 23:06:06 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=671#comment-108469 Neil, I'm guessing based on your email address you have a small consulting/SI firm. Have you used Pentaho at multiple installations? And have you ever had to actually pay them for it, or do the free options totally suffice? :) Best, CAM Neil,

I’m guessing based on your email address you have a small consulting/SI firm. Have you used Pentaho at multiple installations? And have you ever had to actually pay them for it, or do the free options totally suffice? :)

Best,

CAM

]]> By: Neil Hepburn http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/#comment-108449 Neil Hepburn Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:26:30 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=671#comment-108449 I've been using Pentaho Data Integration for some time now. For an open source ETL tool it's quite impressive. What I like most about it, is how transparent it is. Even the repository itself is modeled as a relational database that sits in our MySQL DB. I have run into the odd bug, but the source and bug tracking are transparent, it's easy to establish the problem and move forward with workarounds. After using Open Source software for a while I've become accustomed to this transparency and am beginning to prefer it over traditional software. I’ve been using Pentaho Data Integration for some time now.
For an open source ETL tool it’s quite impressive. What I like most about it, is how transparent it is. Even the repository itself is modeled as a relational database that sits in our MySQL DB.

I have run into the odd bug, but the source and bug tracking are transparent, it’s easy to establish the problem and move forward with workarounds.

After using Open Source software for a while I’ve become accustomed to this transparency and am beginning to prefer it over traditional software.

]]> By: Pete http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/#comment-108392 Pete Wed, 28 Jan 2009 08:36:33 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=671#comment-108392 another small unreasonable fact from the Pentaho power point: "On The Record” - Public Wins Over Proprietary BI" and then it appears US Navy had replaced Oracle BI, BO and Cognos with Pentaho another small unreasonable fact from the Pentaho power point: “On The Record” – Public Wins Over Proprietary BI” and then it appears US Navy had replaced Oracle BI, BO and Cognos with Pentaho

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