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	<title>Comments on: Two lessons from Dataupia&#8217;s troubles</title>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/06/10/two-lessons-from-dataupias-troubles/#comment-131068</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes. :)

&quot;Compatible&quot; products are never perceived as zero-risk, zero-harm. So there&#039;s a lot of FUD about them, led by the most knowledgeable internal experts.

A few web-centric companies may and do just say &quot;Ixnay on the Oracle pricing model, period, and partial compatibility is better than none at all.&quot; But to my knowledge, &quot;few&quot; is the operative word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Compatible&#8221; products are never perceived as zero-risk, zero-harm. So there&#8217;s a lot of FUD about them, led by the most knowledgeable internal experts.</p>
<p>A few web-centric companies may and do just say &#8220;Ixnay on the Oracle pricing model, period, and partial compatibility is better than none at all.&#8221; But to my knowledge, &#8220;few&#8221; is the operative word.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Weinreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Weinreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, this is my guess about why EnterpriseDB Advanced Server didn&#039;t do as well as hoped (indeed, didn&#039;t do as well as I thought it would):

Existing Oracle customers were not interested, I think because having made everything work with Oracle, the promise of lower prices wasn&#039;t enough to get them to try to switch to something new and unknown.  Oracle is &quot;sticky&quot;.  DBA&#039;s know it. Oracle DBA&#039;s heavily influence the purchase decision, and obviously have a huge interest in keeping Oracle, for their own job security as well as their own technical comfort.

For someone who does not already run Oracle, being Oracle-compatible is not that much of a benefit.

Does that sound right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, this is my guess about why EnterpriseDB Advanced Server didn&#8217;t do as well as hoped (indeed, didn&#8217;t do as well as I thought it would):</p>
<p>Existing Oracle customers were not interested, I think because having made everything work with Oracle, the promise of lower prices wasn&#8217;t enough to get them to try to switch to something new and unknown.  Oracle is &#8220;sticky&#8221;.  DBA&#8217;s know it. Oracle DBA&#8217;s heavily influence the purchase decision, and obviously have a huge interest in keeping Oracle, for their own job security as well as their own technical comfort.</p>
<p>For someone who does not already run Oracle, being Oracle-compatible is not that much of a benefit.</p>
<p>Does that sound right?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/06/10/two-lessons-from-dataupias-troubles/#comment-125541</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:50:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dataupia described its focus to me as indirect sales.

I agree that data mart outsourcers are a market one sells to directly, even if vendors conceive of them as an indirect channel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dataupia described its focus to me as indirect sales.</p>
<p>I agree that data mart outsourcers are a market one sells to directly, even if vendors conceive of them as an indirect channel.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 09:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the relevance of this point: &quot;If a startup’s competitors sell directly to enterprises, an indirect sales strategy rarely succeeds.&quot;?

Dataupia sold directly - see Subex and ITIS press releases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the relevance of this point: &#8220;If a startup’s competitors sell directly to enterprises, an indirect sales strategy rarely succeeds.&#8221;?</p>
<p>Dataupia sold directly &#8211; see Subex and ITIS press releases.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerome Pineau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerome Pineau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 21:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Where is Java in that 1st case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Where is Java in that 1st case?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/06/10/two-lessons-from-dataupias-troubles/#comment-125340</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m lumping together two kinds of technologies:

1.  Those that explicitly imitate a market-leading platform product.

2. Those whose main selling point is that it runs over multiple market-leading platforms.

In the 1980s, there were some huge successes selling software TO HARDWARE VENDORS that ran on multiple hardware products -- Microsoft and Oracle rose to prominence that way, and Ingres was in the game too. But end-users have rarely cared much.

As for straight emulation -- I can&#039;t think of a significant success since Amdahl emulated IBM&#039;s mainframes. Just recently, EnterpriseDB was the &quot;Oracle-compatible database company&quot; -- now it&#039;s licensing off its Oracle compatibility technology and competing on a different basis. ParAccel&#039;s &quot;Amigo&quot; mode hasn&#039;t amounted to much. And so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m lumping together two kinds of technologies:</p>
<p>1.  Those that explicitly imitate a market-leading platform product.</p>
<p>2. Those whose main selling point is that it runs over multiple market-leading platforms.</p>
<p>In the 1980s, there were some huge successes selling software TO HARDWARE VENDORS that ran on multiple hardware products &#8212; Microsoft and Oracle rose to prominence that way, and Ingres was in the game too. But end-users have rarely cared much.</p>
<p>As for straight emulation &#8212; I can&#8217;t think of a significant success since Amdahl emulated IBM&#8217;s mainframes. Just recently, EnterpriseDB was the &#8220;Oracle-compatible database company&#8221; &#8212; now it&#8217;s licensing off its Oracle compatibility technology and competing on a different basis. ParAccel&#8217;s &#8220;Amigo&#8221; mode hasn&#8217;t amounted to much. And so on.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil Eifrem</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/06/10/two-lessons-from-dataupias-troubles/#comment-125324</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil Eifrem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:26:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Curt,

Could you elaborate a bit on your first point? I&#039;m not sure exactly what you mean with &quot;transparency/emulation features.&quot;

I wholeheartedly agree with your second point. It&#039;s very consistent with our experience.

-EE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Curt,</p>
<p>Could you elaborate a bit on your first point? I&#8217;m not sure exactly what you mean with &#8220;transparency/emulation features.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wholeheartedly agree with your second point. It&#8217;s very consistent with our experience.</p>
<p>-EE</p>
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		<dc:creator>Oracle Data Warehouse Performance Issues? Solve It The Old-Fashioned Way With A Third-Party Accelerator! &#171; Kevin Closson&#8217;s Oracle Blog: Platform, Storage &#38; Clustering Topics Related to Oracle Databases</dc:creator>
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