Comments on: “The Netezza price point” http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/ Choices in data management and analysis Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:22:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.3 By: John http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-225945 John Sat, 04 Jun 2011 06:56:10 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-225945 Netezza base pricing is available here: http://estore.gemini-systems.com/index.html?section=ibm-netezza-twinfin Netezza base pricing is available here: http://estore.gemini-systems.com/index.html?section=ibm-netezza-twinfin

]]> By: Notes on data warehouse appliance prices | DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-187345 Notes on data warehouse appliance prices | DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:53:02 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-187345 [...] wrote last year that Netezza provides the traditional industry benchmark for per-terabyte pricing. When I wrote that, the “Netezza price point” had just become a little under [...] [...] wrote last year that Netezza provides the traditional industry benchmark for per-terabyte pricing. When I wrote that, the “Netezza price point” had just become a little under [...]

]]> By: A framework for thinking about data warehouse growth | DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-151986 A framework for thinking about data warehouse growth | DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services Mon, 07 Dec 2009 13:51:50 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-151986 [...] that “disk is the new tape.” No-apologies performance can be had on data warehouse systems for $20,000/terabyte or less – perhaps even a lot less. Tolerable performance may cost 3-4X less than that. I think a [...] [...] that “disk is the new tape.” No-apologies performance can be had on data warehouse systems for $20,000/terabyte or less – perhaps even a lot less. Tolerable performance may cost 3-4X less than that. I think a [...]

]]> By: Oracle Exadata 2 capacity pricing | DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-142535 Oracle Exadata 2 capacity pricing | DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services Mon, 05 Oct 2009 12:22:34 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-142535 [...] although Netezza recently went with a not-sandbagged 2.25X compression estimate to get below the $20K/terabyte price point. Columnar software vendors have tended to be more aggressive, with figures of 10X or more casually [...] [...] although Netezza recently went with a not-sandbagged 2.25X compression estimate to get below the $20K/terabyte price point. Columnar software vendors have tended to be more aggressive, with figures of 10X or more casually [...]

]]> By: Brian Ganly http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-134084 Brian Ganly Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:32:11 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-134084 User data is a key price for me but user data is a confusing term. How much is actually business data. Assuming you could by a 6TB Exadata Machine and a 6TB Netezza server at the old $60k per TB price point and you fill the servers to the very top I calculate that Oracle costs $297k per TB of business data and Netezza costs $60k per TB of business data Prices assume Oracle 2xCompression and 50% discount from list, no Compression on Netezza. Here how it is calculated. System Size 6TB Oracle With 2x Compression, Performance Server 300GB disks 2TB System Data - Temp/Redo/Archive Redo/Undo etc 2TB "User Data" - Indexes, Aggregates, Empty space in blocks etc. 2TB Business Data - Data in tables (These figures are reflected in our Oracle 9.2 DWH DB we do not have Exadata) Netezza No Compression 6TB Business Data Swap space/Mirrors not presented as part of the price. No indexes or aggregates due to server speed. Oracle Exa TB $per TB 6TB Cost Overall 6 $99 $594 Business Data 2 $297 $594 Netezza Overall 6 $60 $360 Business Data 6 $60 $360 NB Oracle prices calculated according to this link and I gave myself 50% discount. http://www.dbms2.com/2008/09/30/oracle-database-machine-exadata-pricing-part-2/ User data is a key price for me but user data is a confusing term. How much is actually business data.
Assuming you could by a 6TB Exadata Machine and a 6TB Netezza server at the old $60k per TB price point and you fill the servers to the very top I calculate that Oracle costs $297k per TB of business data and Netezza costs $60k per TB of business data

Prices assume Oracle 2xCompression and 50% discount from list, no Compression on Netezza.

Here how it is calculated.

System Size 6TB
Oracle With 2x Compression, Performance Server 300GB disks
2TB System Data – Temp/Redo/Archive Redo/Undo etc
2TB “User Data” – Indexes, Aggregates, Empty space in blocks etc.
2TB Business Data – Data in tables
(These figures are reflected in our Oracle 9.2 DWH DB we do not have Exadata)

Netezza No Compression
6TB Business Data
Swap space/Mirrors not presented as part of the price. No indexes or aggregates due to server speed.

Oracle Exa TB $per TB 6TB Cost
Overall 6 $99 $594
Business Data 2 $297 $594
Netezza
Overall 6 $60 $360
Business Data 6 $60 $360

NB Oracle prices calculated according to this link and I gave myself 50% discount.
http://www.dbms2.com/2008/09/30/oracle-database-machine-exadata-pricing-part-2/

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-133822 Curt Monash Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:47:26 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-133822 At a company as large as Oracle, Microsoft, or IBM, for any sufficiently reasonable strategy, there exists at least one fairly senior employee who not only believes it SHOULD be followed but indeed believes it WILL be followed. So while it's certain they're looking at the idea, it's impossible to predict whether they'll follow through on it, unless one has some kind of NDA-level insight. At a company as large as Oracle, Microsoft, or IBM, for any sufficiently reasonable strategy, there exists at least one fairly senior employee who not only believes it SHOULD be followed but indeed believes it WILL be followed.

So while it’s certain they’re looking at the idea, it’s impossible to predict whether they’ll follow through on it, unless one has some kind of NDA-level insight.

]]> By: RC http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-133821 RC Tue, 04 Aug 2009 17:42:47 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-133821 I noticed your new article. There is and was something in the air. Maybe Oracle and MS SQL will provide hybrid solutions too? I noticed your new article. There is and was something in the air. Maybe Oracle and MS SQL will provide hybrid solutions too?

]]> By: Curt Monash http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-133813 Curt Monash Tue, 04 Aug 2009 16:03:50 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-133813 RC, See http://www.dbms2.com/2009/08/04/pax-analytica-row-and-column-stores-begin-to-come-together/ :) RC,

See http://www.dbms2.com/2009/08/04/pax-analytica-row-and-column-stores-begin-to-come-together/ :)

]]> By: RC http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-133586 RC Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:29:30 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-133586 @Curt Monash Analytic databases are nowadays either a row store or a column store. Do you think that in the future there will be analyic db's that you can use both as a column store and as a row store? Or that you can even decide to store some attributes of a table in classic row-format and other in a column-format? @Curt Monash

Analytic databases are nowadays either a row store or a column store.

Do you think that in the future there will be analyic db’s that you can use both as a column store and as a row store? Or that you can even decide to store some attributes of a table in classic row-format and other in a column-format?

]]> By: Paul Johnson http://www.dbms2.com/2009/07/30/the-netezza-price-point/#comment-133487 Paul Johnson Fri, 31 Jul 2009 20:35:46 +0000 http://www.dbms2.com/?p=854#comment-133487 The cost of the host DBMS and server is pretty insignificant in the Dataupia setup. A single CPU machine running Oracle or SQL Server standard edition is all that's needed. MPP vendors don't charge per core as they use too many of them. The newer entrants into the market have led the recent move to per TB pricing. The Teradata products with competitive pricing are not balanced sytems, so the comparisons are invalid imho. The cost of the host DBMS and server is pretty insignificant in the Dataupia setup. A single CPU machine running Oracle or SQL Server standard edition is all that’s needed.

MPP vendors don’t charge per core as they use too many of them.

The newer entrants into the market have led the recent move to per TB pricing.

The Teradata products with competitive pricing are not balanced sytems, so the comparisons are invalid imho.

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