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	<title>Comments on: The hunt for Oracle Exadata production references</title>
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	<description>Choices in data management and analysis</description>
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		<title>By: Fazal Majid</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-144610</link>
		<dc:creator>Fazal Majid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed - Gartner or Forrester payola, ahem &quot;research&quot; is usually not worth the paper it is printed on.

Sun&#039;s systems expertise is top-notch and I have no doubt they will get Exadata 2 to a stage where it offers decent performance, and win accounts, if only those that don&#039;t want to manage multiple vendors or DBA teams or deal with ETL hassles.

Exadata 2 is still a very immature product, however, and it is too early to tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed &#8211; Gartner or Forrester payola, ahem &#8220;research&#8221; is usually not worth the paper it is printed on.</p>
<p>Sun&#8217;s systems expertise is top-notch and I have no doubt they will get Exadata 2 to a stage where it offers decent performance, and win accounts, if only those that don&#8217;t want to manage multiple vendors or DBA teams or deal with ETL hassles.</p>
<p>Exadata 2 is still a very immature product, however, and it is too early to tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-142674</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed,

Of products you listed ad lines for, Exadata has the fewest and least impressive production references, even behind Aster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed,</p>
<p>Of products you listed ad lines for, Exadata has the fewest and least impressive production references, even behind Aster.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed White</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-142663</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 19:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Production customer references for most data warehouse vendors are scarce, but claims are not:
&quot;The World&#039;s Fastest Database Machine&quot; Oracle WSJ
&quot;One Terabyte in less than one minute&quot; Greenplum
&quot;Queries 50X-200X faster&quot; - Vertica.com
&quot;10-100X the performance at 1/3 the cost&quot; - Netezza.com
&quot;10X-100X faster loading and query performance- Asterdata.com
&quot;Answers up to 100 times faster&quot; - Sybase.com
Can all these be true??? Interesting that none of these vendors are ranked #1 by Gartner or Forrester.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Production customer references for most data warehouse vendors are scarce, but claims are not:<br />
&#8220;The World&#8217;s Fastest Database Machine&#8221; Oracle WSJ<br />
&#8220;One Terabyte in less than one minute&#8221; Greenplum<br />
&#8220;Queries 50X-200X faster&#8221; &#8211; Vertica.com<br />
&#8220;10-100X the performance at 1/3 the cost&#8221; &#8211; Netezza.com<br />
&#8220;10X-100X faster loading and query performance- Asterdata.com<br />
&#8220;Answers up to 100 times faster&#8221; &#8211; Sybase.com<br />
Can all these be true??? Interesting that none of these vendors are ranked #1 by Gartner or Forrester&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Oracle Exadata customers presenting at Oracle Open World &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-142631</link>
		<dc:creator>Oracle Exadata customers presenting at Oracle Open World &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Oracle Exadata 2 capacity pricing &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-142546</link>
		<dc:creator>Oracle Exadata 2 capacity pricing &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The hunt for Oracle Exadata production references (but hopefully some will be revealed at Oracle Open World) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-141998</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 19:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Vendor shindigs can be worth going to for me if I&#039;m going to spend multiple hours talking w/ the right vendor people one-on-one. Otherwise, not so much. I don&#039;t even bother dialing into mass conference calls when I can do so from the convenience of my desk.  When Oracle offered the chance to come and meet w/ the development team, alone, at my own expense, a few weeks after Open World last year -- THAT I accepted, even though I have a number of vendor clients I don&#039;t spend that much face time with in a year.

Besides, I&#039;m tapped out on travel. I just turned down the opportunity to go SAS&#039; user conference in October, and they were offering to do it the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Vendor shindigs can be worth going to for me if I&#8217;m going to spend multiple hours talking w/ the right vendor people one-on-one. Otherwise, not so much. I don&#8217;t even bother dialing into mass conference calls when I can do so from the convenience of my desk.  When Oracle offered the chance to come and meet w/ the development team, alone, at my own expense, a few weeks after Open World last year &#8212; THAT I accepted, even though I have a number of vendor clients I don&#8217;t spend that much face time with in a year.</p>
<p>Besides, I&#8217;m tapped out on travel. I just turned down the opportunity to go SAS&#8217; user conference in October, and they were offering to do it the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: James R</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-141991</link>
		<dc:creator>James R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 16:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Curt - the largest annual event of the largest DBMS vendor in the world, and you&#039;re not going? A bit strange for somebody who carves a living out of the DBMS space...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Curt &#8211; the largest annual event of the largest DBMS vendor in the world, and you&#8217;re not going? A bit strange for somebody who carves a living out of the DBMS space&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on the integration of OLTP and data warehousing, especially in Exadata 2 &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-141909</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on the integration of OLTP and data warehousing, especially in Exadata 2 &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Exadata is great for data warehousing. At this time, that&#8217;s a claim much better supported by marketing and theory than by practice. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-141884</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bence,

I have little doubt that, if Oracle has indeed sold a lot of Exadata, customers have in many cases deployed it and figured out whether or not it works well for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bence,</p>
<p>I have little doubt that, if Oracle has indeed sold a lot of Exadata, customers have in many cases deployed it and figured out whether or not it works well for them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bence Arató</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/25/the-hunt-for-oracle-exadata-production-references/#comment-141868</link>
		<dc:creator>Bence Arató</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 21:10:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt,

I would assume then almost all Exadata unit which has been sold is in use.

1) Exadata is a quite expensise hardware product
so what would be the point in buying and then mot using it? How often a company buy an expensive storage array from, say, EMC, and then decides not to use it?

2) The migration of an existing Oracle warehouse to Exadata seems to be quite straightforward as you don&#039;t have to change your ETL routines, aggregation programs, reports etc. So I don&#039;t see many tecnical obstacles with actually using Exadata after buying it.

3) And as you already know, I still firmly believe that Oracle targets and sells Exadata mainly as a speedup to existing Orale-based DWs,  and not as a stand-alone DW platform, so the 2nd point applies in most cases :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt,</p>
<p>I would assume then almost all Exadata unit which has been sold is in use.</p>
<p>1) Exadata is a quite expensise hardware product<br />
so what would be the point in buying and then mot using it? How often a company buy an expensive storage array from, say, EMC, and then decides not to use it?</p>
<p>2) The migration of an existing Oracle warehouse to Exadata seems to be quite straightforward as you don&#8217;t have to change your ETL routines, aggregation programs, reports etc. So I don&#8217;t see many tecnical obstacles with actually using Exadata after buying it.</p>
<p>3) And as you already know, I still firmly believe that Oracle targets and sells Exadata mainly as a speedup to existing Orale-based DWs,  and not as a stand-alone DW platform, so the 2nd point applies in most cases <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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