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		<title>By: The Top 10 Trends for 2010 in Analytics, Business Intelligence, and Performance Management &#124; Analytics Careers</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Top 10 Trends for 2010 in Analytics, Business Intelligence, and Performance Management &#124; Analytics Careers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2011 17:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Data, and the like with significant innovations in in-memory processing, exploiting parallelism, columnar storage options, and more.  We already starting to see hybrid approaches between the Hadoop players and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Columnar compression vs. column storage &#124; DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services</title>
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		<dc:creator>Columnar compression vs. column storage &#124; DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 09:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that truly offer some form of hybrid row/column storage include Vertica, EMC/Greenplum, and Aster Data. Oracle Exadata, in my opinion, does not, but I can see why people might get [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that truly offer some form of hybrid row/column storage include Vertica, EMC/Greenplum, and Aster Data. Oracle Exadata, in my opinion, does not, but I can see why people might get [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Aster Data nCluster Version 4.6 &#124; DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/14/greenplum-hybrid-columnar/#comment-184018</link>
		<dc:creator>Aster Data nCluster Version 4.6 &#124; DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Aster Data has now joined Greenplum/EMC among row-based analytic DBMS vendors with hybrid row-column stores. Oracle will join them some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Aster Data has now joined Greenplum/EMC among row-based analytic DBMS vendors with hybrid row-column stores. Oracle will join them some [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Appregatta Blog &#187; 2010: The Year of Business Intelligence</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/14/greenplum-hybrid-columnar/#comment-152251</link>
		<dc:creator>Appregatta Blog &#187; 2010: The Year of Business Intelligence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 10:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Data, and the like with significant innovations in in-memory processing, exploiting parallelism, columnar storage options, and more. Additionally, significant opportunities to push application processing into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: The Top 10 Trends for 2010 in Analytics, Business Intelligence, and Performance Management &#171; Enterprise Information Management</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/14/greenplum-hybrid-columnar/#comment-151465</link>
		<dc:creator>The Top 10 Trends for 2010 in Analytics, Business Intelligence, and Performance Management &#171; Enterprise Information Management</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 09:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Data, and the like with significant innovations in in-memory processing, exploiting parallelism, columnar storage options, and more.  We already starting to see hybrid approaches between the Hadoop players and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Johnson</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/14/greenplum-hybrid-columnar/#comment-143672</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done to Greenplum for offering more choice say I. A hybrid column/row capability is pretty cool.

We downloaded the new release a few days ago after Luke mentioned during a call that the new column stuff had been made available.

It&#039;ll be interesting to see how it works once folks start beating on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done to Greenplum for offering more choice say I. A hybrid column/row capability is pretty cool.</p>
<p>We downloaded the new release a few days ago after Luke mentioned during a call that the new column stuff had been made available.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how it works once folks start beating on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Abadi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel Abadi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt,

You pretty much predicted everything I was going to say, but nonetheless, my reactions can be found at:

http://dbmsmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/greenplum-announces-column-oriented.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt,</p>
<p>You pretty much predicted everything I was going to say, but nonetheless, my reactions can be found at:</p>
<p><a href="http://dbmsmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/greenplum-announces-column-oriented.html" rel="nofollow">http://dbmsmusings.blogspot.com/2009/10/greenplum-announces-column-oriented.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ben Werther</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/14/greenplum-hybrid-columnar/#comment-143465</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben Werther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DW Consultant -- 

- You&#039;d have to agree that every vendor is building from a largely shared pool of ideas. Most of everything that every vendor does is covered in academic literature going back decades. Our goal isn&#039;t being novel in everything we do -- it is delivering value to customers.

- That being said, I think a little credit is due here. We&#039;ve built a flexible enough storage infrastructure to allow us to (1) easily add a very efficient implementation of column-oriented tables, and (2) allow both row- and column-orientation to be used not just in the same database but in different partitions of the same table.

So why did we add this feature? It is about customer choice. For most analytical queries and mixed workloads - particularly with high-rate continuous microbatched loads - our row processing wins out over columnar approaches. (i.e. There are good reasons why the pure columnar guys aren&#039;t winning mixed-workload EDW deals against Teradata like we are). But there are a lot of cases where columnar processing does great and does have an edge over row processing. Customers wanted the choice, so now we do both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DW Consultant &#8212; </p>
<p>- You&#8217;d have to agree that every vendor is building from a largely shared pool of ideas. Most of everything that every vendor does is covered in academic literature going back decades. Our goal isn&#8217;t being novel in everything we do &#8212; it is delivering value to customers.</p>
<p>- That being said, I think a little credit is due here. We&#8217;ve built a flexible enough storage infrastructure to allow us to (1) easily add a very efficient implementation of column-oriented tables, and (2) allow both row- and column-orientation to be used not just in the same database but in different partitions of the same table.</p>
<p>So why did we add this feature? It is about customer choice. For most analytical queries and mixed workloads &#8211; particularly with high-rate continuous microbatched loads &#8211; our row processing wins out over columnar approaches. (i.e. There are good reasons why the pure columnar guys aren&#8217;t winning mixed-workload EDW deals against Teradata like we are). But there are a lot of cases where columnar processing does great and does have an edge over row processing. Customers wanted the choice, so now we do both.</p>
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		<title>By: DW Consultant</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/14/greenplum-hybrid-columnar/#comment-143458</link>
		<dc:creator>DW Consultant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write-up, Although it sounds like Greenplum loves to copy technology rather than innovating. Does this mean that they cannot perform as well as Columnar DBMS? Are they loosing business to Columnar Vendors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write-up, Although it sounds like Greenplum loves to copy technology rather than innovating. Does this mean that they cannot perform as well as Columnar DBMS? Are they loosing business to Columnar Vendors?</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Grimes</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/14/greenplum-hybrid-columnar/#comment-143440</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very helpful write-up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very helpful write-up!</p>
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