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	<title>Comments on: There sure seem to be a lot of inaccuracies on ParAccel&#8217;s website</title>
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		<title>By: Where ParAccel is at &#124; DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-187604</link>
		<dc:creator>Where ParAccel is at &#124; DBMS 2 : DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 08:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently, I was extremely critical of ParAccel&#8217;s marketing. But there was an almost-clean sweep of the relevant ParAccel executives, and the specific worst [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently, I was extremely critical of ParAccel&#8217;s marketing. But there was an almost-clean sweep of the relevant ParAccel executives, and the specific worst [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Links and observations &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-179917</link>
		<dc:creator>Links and observations &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Aug 2010 02:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that they&#8217;ve replaced their CEO, replaced their marketing chief, and stopped the worst of the marketing nonsense I used to complain about. ParAccel has some interesting plans for ParAccel 3.0 which are, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that they&#8217;ve replaced their CEO, replaced their marketing chief, and stopped the worst of the marketing nonsense I used to complain about. ParAccel has some interesting plans for ParAccel 3.0 which are, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Nibbler</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Nibbler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 21:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Monash. I stumbled on your website and found this thread quite amusing. Very clever that you&#039;ve now have drawn in employees of Paraccel to discuss your lunatic blogging. But I&#039;d like to submit that we get all of these DB companies to submit to lie detector tests because I like you have had enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Monash. I stumbled on your website and found this thread quite amusing. Very clever that you&#8217;ve now have drawn in employees of Paraccel to discuss your lunatic blogging. But I&#8217;d like to submit that we get all of these DB companies to submit to lie detector tests because I like you have had enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-156097</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 07:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim,

By &quot;chose to buy&quot;, do you always mean that they signed a contract that includes non-trivial revenue to you, recognizable (immediately or at least by the time you post the info) under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles? (GAAP)

I ask because an awful lot of apparent customer wins these days seem to really amount to final evaluations, in which one has to wait a quarter or two to see whether they turn into solid sales or whether the product gets returned w/o obligation.

E.g., I have a client who seems (based on another product they bought) to have a penchant for signing a contract first and doing a final evaluation second. Well, Vertica didn&#039;t put up their logo until months after the initial deal got signed. That strikes me as a much more responsible way to proceed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,</p>
<p>By &#8220;chose to buy&#8221;, do you always mean that they signed a contract that includes non-trivial revenue to you, recognizable (immediately or at least by the time you post the info) under Generally Accepted Accounting Principles? (GAAP)</p>
<p>I ask because an awful lot of apparent customer wins these days seem to really amount to final evaluations, in which one has to wait a quarter or two to see whether they turn into solid sales or whether the product gets returned w/o obligation.</p>
<p>E.g., I have a client who seems (based on another product they bought) to have a penchant for signing a contract first and doing a final evaluation second. Well, Vertica didn&#8217;t put up their logo until months after the initial deal got signed. That strikes me as a much more responsible way to proceed.</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Stanick</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-156096</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Stanick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 06:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, 

Regarding your earlier comment: We list customers on our web site. Companies listed there chose to buy PADB, either on its merits alone or after competitive evaluation. The status of their deployment isn&#039;t indicated by the listing. Further information about a listed (or unlisted) customer is shared privately in references for new prospects. If we have something further to say publicly about a customer, you&#039;ll see it in a case-study on our web site, or in the press.

Kim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, </p>
<p>Regarding your earlier comment: We list customers on our web site. Companies listed there chose to buy PADB, either on its merits alone or after competitive evaluation. The status of their deployment isn&#8217;t indicated by the listing. Further information about a listed (or unlisted) customer is shared privately in references for new prospects. If we have something further to say publicly about a customer, you&#8217;ll see it in a case-study on our web site, or in the press.</p>
<p>Kim</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-156063</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Kim -- all other issues aside, I&#039;m glad your boss is finally allowing you to post comments here. :) I hope you continue doing so in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Kim &#8212; all other issues aside, I&#8217;m glad your boss is finally allowing you to post comments here. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I hope you continue doing so in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-156057</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyhow, Barry, let&#039;s simplify the challenge -- I challenge you to prove that the companies you claimed were customers really are.  Fair enough?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyhow, Barry, let&#8217;s simplify the challenge &#8212; I challenge you to prove that the companies you claimed were customers really are.  Fair enough?</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-156012</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:26:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kim,

So of the customers whose logos survive on your site, which actually represent current production deployments of ParAccel?  (As opposed to, say, no longer active deployments, deployments that haven&#039;t happened yet, or resellers who have hope of future deployments.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kim,</p>
<p>So of the customers whose logos survive on your site, which actually represent current production deployments of ParAccel?  (As opposed to, say, no longer active deployments, deployments that haven&#8217;t happened yet, or resellers who have hope of future deployments.)</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-156010</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Jan 2010 00:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lokesh, Barry,

My tolerance for ParAccel trying to dictate the content of my blog posts was used up years ago. Please just stop with that theme.

If you want people to speak and write kindly about you, then disclose what&#039;s true, add no more than a standard amount of spin to it, and don&#039;t make emphatic claims that aren&#039;t true.

Speaking personally, I most particularly never want to hear again from ParAccel &quot;What you learned previously is no longer true, so we want you to &#039;confess&#039; that it never was true in the first place.&quot; I&#039;ve gotten way too much of that over the years from you guys; I found it deeply dishonest when you first did it to me years ago; and my opinion hasn&#039;t changed.

Thank you,

CAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lokesh, Barry,</p>
<p>My tolerance for ParAccel trying to dictate the content of my blog posts was used up years ago. Please just stop with that theme.</p>
<p>If you want people to speak and write kindly about you, then disclose what&#8217;s true, add no more than a standard amount of spin to it, and don&#8217;t make emphatic claims that aren&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>Speaking personally, I most particularly never want to hear again from ParAccel &#8220;What you learned previously is no longer true, so we want you to &#8216;confess&#8217; that it never was true in the first place.&#8221; I&#8217;ve gotten way too much of that over the years from you guys; I found it deeply dishonest when you first did it to me years ago; and my opinion hasn&#8217;t changed.</p>
<p>Thank you,</p>
<p>CAM</p>
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		<title>By: Kim Stanick</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/15/there-sure-seem-to-be-a-lot-of-inaccuracies-on-paraccels-website/#comment-156003</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim Stanick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Curt, 

Regarding your recent complaint about ParAccel&#039;s customer logo postings, I am to blame for putting our newest customer’s logos on the website before authorized (they are indeed newly signed customers).  I took the logos down within minutes of being requested to do so. The premature posting of those customer logos was nothing more than normally-acceptable marketing aggression, but this time I moved too soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Curt, </p>
<p>Regarding your recent complaint about ParAccel&#8217;s customer logo postings, I am to blame for putting our newest customer’s logos on the website before authorized (they are indeed newly signed customers).  I took the logos down within minutes of being requested to do so. The premature posting of those customer logos was nothing more than normally-acceptable marketing aggression, but this time I moved too soon.</p>
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