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	<title>Comments on: Clarifying the state of MPP in-database SAS</title>
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		<title>By: Seth Grimes</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-169206</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 May 2010 19:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been told that the ability to run the SAS Data step within Aster nCluster is currently under development, not shipping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been told that the ability to run the SAS Data step within Aster nCluster is currently under development, not shipping.</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Grimes</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-168633</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Grimes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 10:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle Wilkie from SAS said, at the May 6 Aster Big Data Summit in Washington DC that Aster runs parallel instances of a SAS Data step on its nodes.  I don&#039;t recall her saying the following, but it would make sense: each instance would touch a subset of the overall data that the Data step would be manipulating with the results then recombined as needed or left in place, in the database.  I believe she said the capability is shipping.

The SAS Data step is very roughly similar to one SQL statement or a sequence of SQL statements wrapped in a procedural language.  It joins tables and subselects rows and columns based on some criteria and allows various mathematical operations on them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle Wilkie from SAS said, at the May 6 Aster Big Data Summit in Washington DC that Aster runs parallel instances of a SAS Data step on its nodes.  I don&#8217;t recall her saying the following, but it would make sense: each instance would touch a subset of the overall data that the Data step would be manipulating with the results then recombined as needed or left in place, in the database.  I believe she said the capability is shipping.</p>
<p>The SAS Data step is very roughly similar to one SQL statement or a sequence of SQL statements wrapped in a procedural language.  It joins tables and subselects rows and columns based on some criteria and allows various mathematical operations on them.</p>
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		<title>By: Further clarifying in-database MPP SAS &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-168379</link>
		<dc:creator>Further clarifying in-database MPP SAS &#124; DBMS2 -- DataBase Management System Services</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 04:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My recent post about SAS&#8217; MPP/in-database efforts was based on a discussion in a shared ride to the airport, and was correspondingly rough. SAS&#8217; Shannon Heath was kind enough to write in with clarifications, and to allow me to post same. With permission, I&#8217;ve also made trivial grammar edits. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] My recent post about SAS&#8217; MPP/in-database efforts was based on a discussion in a shared ride to the airport, and was correspondingly rough. SAS&#8217; Shannon Heath was kind enough to write in with clarifications, and to allow me to post same. With permission, I&#8217;ve also made trivial grammar edits. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The SAS Dummy</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-167936</link>
		<dc:creator>The SAS Dummy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 12:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;This is your database...on SAS...&lt;/strong&gt;

Curt Monash posted a nice summary of the current and planned offerings that help to make SAS analytics more available &quot;in the database&quot; -- allowing you to analyze your data quickly without having to move it around so much.

If you use SAS with Tera...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>This is your database&#8230;on SAS&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Curt Monash posted a nice summary of the current and planned offerings that help to make SAS analytics more available &#8220;in the database&#8221; &#8212; allowing you to analyze your data quickly without having to move it around so much.</p>
<p>If you use SAS with Tera&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Hillion</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-167792</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 16:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen to that, Michael! That&#039;s going to be a central focus for me and my team at Greenplum. We&#039;ve already made pretty good progress (I can send you some samples if you drop me an email) and we&#039;re working hard with engineering and with partners to develop more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen to that, Michael! That&#8217;s going to be a central focus for me and my team at Greenplum. We&#8217;ve already made pretty good progress (I can send you some samples if you drop me an email) and we&#8217;re working hard with engineering and with partners to develop more.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Wexler</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-167789</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Wexler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 May 2010 15:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In db scoring is great.  What about in db modeling?  To build a model on all data still requires that I extract and use an external box or system to model, sometimes with all data in RAM (if using R, for example).  If I have to model on smaller samples because of resources, then I still have the ETL and constrained view I have with current systems.

So, just scoring is a good first step... but I won&#039;t consider the job done til I can build my models using the same parallel scalability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In db scoring is great.  What about in db modeling?  To build a model on all data still requires that I extract and use an external box or system to model, sometimes with all data in RAM (if using R, for example).  If I have to model on smaller samples because of resources, then I still have the ETL and constrained view I have with current systems.</p>
<p>So, just scoring is a good first step&#8230; but I won&#8217;t consider the job done til I can build my models using the same parallel scalability.</p>
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		<title>By: Curt Monash</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-167681</link>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 20:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Embarrassing typo re Keith Collins&#039; job fixed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Embarrassing typo re Keith Collins&#8217; job fixed!</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Hillion</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-167654</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Hillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 17:29:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Xiaobo:

Many if not most of Greenplum&#039;s customers already access Greenplum using the SAS/ACCESS interface. Moreover, we are working directly with SAS to enable in-database scoring. It&#039;s on our product roadmap for this year, and we are actively discussing this with them right now.

All this is obviously critical for us - there&#039;s a huge number of SAS users out there who have a rich library of SAS code, and we need to make sure they can work seamlessly within our &#039;data cloud&#039;.

It&#039;s important to point out that our philosophy is that analysts need access to a wide variety of different tools and applications for doing deep analytics. This includes SAS, of course, and BI tools, as well as R, MapReduce and so on. More power to the modelers! And that&#039;s not to forget SQL of course. In many cases, complex models or MapReduce jobs can be done with surprisingly simple SQL statements. (I&#039;m happy to share some with you if you like!) In other cases, not. You need different tools for different jobs. And that includes SAS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Xiaobo:</p>
<p>Many if not most of Greenplum&#8217;s customers already access Greenplum using the SAS/ACCESS interface. Moreover, we are working directly with SAS to enable in-database scoring. It&#8217;s on our product roadmap for this year, and we are actively discussing this with them right now.</p>
<p>All this is obviously critical for us &#8211; there&#8217;s a huge number of SAS users out there who have a rich library of SAS code, and we need to make sure they can work seamlessly within our &#8216;data cloud&#8217;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s important to point out that our philosophy is that analysts need access to a wide variety of different tools and applications for doing deep analytics. This includes SAS, of course, and BI tools, as well as R, MapReduce and so on. More power to the modelers! And that&#8217;s not to forget SQL of course. In many cases, complex models or MapReduce jobs can be done with surprisingly simple SQL statements. (I&#8217;m happy to share some with you if you like!) In other cases, not. You need different tools for different jobs. And that includes SAS.</p>
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		<title>By: Xiaobo.Gu</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-167645</link>
		<dc:creator>Xiaobo.Gu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 15:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you heared anything about the SAS Greenplum in-database intergration?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you heared anything about the SAS Greenplum in-database intergration?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kent</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/05/07/in-database-sas-teradata-netezza-aster/#comment-167638</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Curt; Keith is SAS&#039;s CTO.  That doesn&#039;t stop us from telling Justin what we think he should do at NZ :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Curt; Keith is SAS&#8217;s CTO.  That doesn&#8217;t stop us from telling Justin what we think he should do at NZ <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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