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		<title>Partial overview of Ab Initio Software</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ab Initio is an absurdly secretive company, as per a couple of prior posts and the comment threads on same.  But yesterday at TDWI I actually found civil people staffing an Ab Initio trade show booth.  Based on that conversation and other tidbits, I think it&#8217;s fairly safe to say:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ab Initio is an absurdly secretive company, as per a couple of <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/" >prior</a> <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/does-ab-initio-need-to-be-taken-seriously/" >posts</a> and the comment threads on same.  But yesterday at TDWI I actually found civil people staffing an Ab Initio trade show booth.  Based on that conversation and other tidbits, I think it&#8217;s fairly safe to say:<span id="more-704"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Ab Initio sells high-end data 	integration software.</li>
<li>Ab Initio commonly costs $1/2 million or so.</li>
<li>Ab Initio&#8217;s core claims include:
<ul>
<li>“It just works”</li>
<li>Ab Initio has great performance, 	even on big tasks.</li>
<li>Unlike many competitors, Ab Initio 	has an integrated product line written from scratch. (Hence the “Ab 	Initio” name.)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Like most data integration 	soft<span style="font-style: normal;">ware – <a href="../2008/10/17/introduction-to-talend/">Talend</a> is a</span>n exception – Ab Initio includes an execution 	engine.</li>
<li>Everybody agrees that Ab Initio&#8217;s 	software has great performance, although Talend claims to come close and <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/02/25/introduction-to-expressor-software/" >Expressor</a> claims to be faster yet. But rivals assert that besides having high 	license fees, Ab Initio&#8217;s software is also very consumptive of 	hardware resources.  Certainly I&#8217;d suggest checking that aspect 	carefully if you ever get into an Ab Initio POC.  Perhaps that&#8217;s what Ab Initio means by saying its software <a href="http://www.abinitio.com/abinitio/ab.nsf/about_abinitio" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.abinitio.com');">uses any and all hardware resources</a>. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</li>
<li>Price isn&#8217;t the only regard in 	which Ab Initio is hard to do business with.  Another is secretive 	business practices.  For example, Ab Initio – confident in the 	quality of its software – pushes prospects toward POCs 	(Proofs-Of-Concept).  But it wraps so many NDA requirements around 	these that some prospects walk away.</li>
<li>Not surprisingly, Ab Initio has 	added lots of features over the years, especially in response to 	prospect or customer requests.  Examples I was given include:
<ul>
<li>IBM OS/390 support (including 	COBOL copybooks, etc.)</li>
<li>SOAP/XML support.  Associated with 	that is a story that boils down to “With great encapsulation, one 	can change a complex system of data integration processes 	incrementally without going crazy.”</li>
<li>A compressed file system that can 	directly store 100s of TBs of user data, with very fast query 	performance.  Apparently, this is not at the extremes of 	inflexibility, as it is realistic to have up to 5-6 keys on a table 	(at least).  Associated with that is a story that boils down to 	“Hey, if you&#8217;re only getting at something via web services, you&#8217;re 	limited in how you can query it anyway. Worst case – your needs 	expand and you decide to put the data back in a true DBMS after 	all.”</li>
<li>Similarly, Ab Initio claims that 	its software is easier to use than rival, cobbled-together products. 	While Ab Initio may not dispute the existence of products that can get 	data integration tasks done more simply, it argues that these products do a 	lot less than Ab Initio does.</li>
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		<title>Introduction to Pentaho</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/27/introduction-to-pentaho/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 02:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I finally caught up with Pentaho, which along with Jaspersoft is one of the two most visible open source business intelligence companies, Actuate perhaps excepted.  Highlights included:

Much like Jaspersoft, Pentaho&#8217;s 	initial focus was mainly on embedded, operational BI.
However, Pentaho now feels it has 	a decent end-user GUI as well, and traditional-BI is a bigger [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I finally caught up with Pentaho, which along with <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2008/09/14/jaspersoft/" >Jaspersoft</a> is one of the two most visible open source business intelligence companies, Actuate perhaps excepted.  Highlights included:</p>
<ul>
<li>Much like Jaspersoft, Pentaho&#8217;s 	initial focus was mainly on embedded, operational BI.</li>
<li>However, Pentaho now feels it has 	a decent end-user GUI as well, and traditional-BI is a bigger part 	of sales.</li>
<li>Also, some sales are focused on 	data integration, perhaps in support of more traditional BI 	products. Pentaho has even had an Ab Initio replacement in data 	integration.  (Can there be any change more extreme than going from 	Ab Initio to open source?)</li>
<li>As an example of technical 	breadth, Pentaho says that its Mondrian OLAP engine is used by 	Jaspersoft.</li>
<li>Pentaho has Excel output, but not 	in the form of live formulas.</li>
<li>Pentaho does XQuery.</li>
<li>Industries with more Pentaho 	adoption than average include:
<ul>
<li>Financial services (traditionally 	open-source-friendly, according to Pentaho)</li>
<li>Government (ditto)</li>
<li>Web 2.0 (obviously ditto)</li>
<li>Travel/transportation 	(cash-strapped)</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>Frontier Airlines is a 	Pentaho/Greenplum customer.</li>
<li>TradeDoubler is a 	Pentaho/InfoBright customer. (Pentaho thinks that TradeDoubler 	reloads its warehouse every day, which if true frankly casts some doubt on InfoBright&#8217;s architecture.)</li>
<li>Data mining is something of a 	Pentaho sideline. There&#8217;s some university in New Zealand that built 	data mining capabilities in Pentaho, and some data mining research 	is done in that.  Separately, Pentaho has been integrated with R.</li>
<li> Community contributions are 	concentrated in the areas you&#8217;d expect &#8212; features some user or 	system integrator needs for a specific project, connectors, bug 	reports, and the like.</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span id="more-671"></span>The briefing included one of the better slide decks I&#8217;ve seen in a while, which Pentaho gave me permission to share (in somewhat abbreviated form) <a href="http://www.monash.com/uploads/Pentaho-January-2009.pdf" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.monash.com');">here</a>.  In particular, Pentaho provided customer examples illustrating most of the use cases cited above.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Pentaho facts and figures include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Pentaho was founded in 2004.  The 	first dozen or so reference customers were acquired in 2007.  Before 	that usage of the product was mainly downloads of a free version.</li>
<li>Actually, Pentaho&#8217;s free usage is 	more focused on embedded libraries, while paid usage is more skewed 	to traditional BI.</li>
<li>Pentaho&#8217;s average selling price is 	$24-25K for first year revenue, which is extremely close to 	<a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2008/09/14/jaspersoft-numbers/" >Jaspersoft&#8217;s figure</a>.</li>
<li>There are 100,000+ downloads per 	month, but Pentaho cautions that&#8217;s a very misleading figure.  Some 	users download over 100 different pieces of the product, including 	for example all the national language support and all the different 	platform-specific support pieces.</li>
<li>Pentaho doesn&#8217;t offer much in the 	way of more realistic metric of company size or success.</li>
<li>Europe provides 35-40% of Pentaho 	revenue.</li>
<li>Pentaho has at least one 	Asia/Pacific reference.</li>
<li>50% or so of Pentaho customers are 	on MySQL.  Oracle and Postgres are in a rough tie for #2. That 	appears to be PostgreSQL rather than EnterpriseDB&#8217;s Postgres Plus.</li>
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		<title>OK, now I get it &#8212; the guys at Ab Initio have something to spin or hide</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/ok-now-i-get-it-the-guys-at-ab-initio-have-something-to-spin-or-hide/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 14:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to the comments on this blog post, Ab Initio has been throwing analysts out of their trade show booths and being otherwise rude for at least two years, and probably a long longer.  That goes beyond marketing strategy or quirkiness.  It means Ab Initio has some secrets it desperately doesn&#8217;t want to [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the comments on <a href="http://blogs.ittoolbox.com/eai/rationality/archives/is-ab-initio-worth-evaluating-3508" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/blogs.ittoolbox.com');">this blog post</a>, Ab Initio has been <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2007/11/16/does-ab-initio-need-to-be-taken-seriously/" >throwing analysts out of their trade show booths</a> and being otherwise rude for at least two years, and probably a long longer.  That goes beyond marketing strategy or quirkiness.  It means Ab Initio has some secrets it desperately doesn&#8217;t want to have found out, or at least that it wants to conceal unless there are Ab Initio salespeople present to spin the prospects&#8217; response to the news.<span id="more-286"></span></p>
<p>Probably, these are just failings or limitations of the product.  Wilder speculation includes intellectual property violations and the like, but in most cases the reason that people don&#8217;t want to be evaluated is simply that they think an evaluation would wind up including negative aspects.</p>
<p>Or maybe it&#8217;s ownership and funding.  When a company doesn&#8217;t even reveal management&#8217;s names, you know they&#8217;re taking secrecy to extremes.  Again, I refer to the example of Thunderstone, an outfit that once had very good search technology and an impressive customer base, but now barely shows up in the market&#8217;s awareness.<br />
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		<title>Does Ab Initio need to be taken seriously?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 10:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Users and vendors occasionally mention Ab Initio to me. But when I inquired about details at their booth at the Teradata conference, I was told to go away by a &#8220;gentleman&#8221; who seemed quite amused with himself for doing so.  And when I checked Ab Initio&#8217;s website right now, I found it to be [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Users and vendors occasionally mention Ab Initio to me. But when I inquired about details at their booth at the Teradata conference, I was told to go away by a &#8220;gentleman&#8221; who seemed quite amused with himself for doing so.  And when I checked Ab Initio&#8217;s <a href="http://www.abinitio.com" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.abinitio.com');">website</a> right now, I found it to be rather content-free.</p>
<p>Is Ab Initio all flash &#8212; and Flash &#8212; and no substance?  Do they rely on selling to a few enterprises they can bamboozle, free from interference by prying analysts?  Obviously, I don&#8217;t know for sure, but that&#8217;s how my guesses are leaning right now.</p>
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