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		<title>Advice for some non-clients</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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Most of what I get paid for is in some form or other consulting. (The same would be true for many other analysts.) And so I can be a bit stingy with my advice toward non-clients. But my non-clients [...]]]></description>
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<p>Most of what I get paid for is in some form or other consulting. (<a href="http://www.strategicmessaging.com/blurring-analyst-consultant-line/2010/07/28/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.strategicmessaging.com');">The same would be true for many other analysts</a>.) And so I can be a bit stingy with my advice toward non-clients. But my non-clients are a distinguished and powerful group, including in their number Oracle, IBM, Microsoft, and most of the BI vendors. So here&#8217;s a bit of advice for them too.</p>
<p><strong>Oracle. </strong>On the plus side, you guys have been making progress against your reputation for untruthfulness. Oh, I&#8217;ve dinged you for some <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2008/09/30/oracle-crosses-the-line-on-integrity/" >past</a> <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2008/06/28/response-to-rita-sallam-of-oracle/" >slip-ups</a>, but on the whole they&#8217;ve been no worse than other vendors.&#8217; But recently you pulled a doozy. The <a href="http://www.oracle.com/us/corporate/analystreports/infrastructure/index.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.oracle.com');">analyst reports</a> section of your website fails to distinguish between unsponsored and sponsored work.* That is a horrible ethical stumble. Fix it fast. Then put processes in place to ensure nothing that dishonest happens again for a good long time.</p>
<p><em>*Merv Adrian&#8217;s &#8220;report&#8221; listed high on that page is actually a sponsored white paper. That Merv himself screwed up by not labeling it clearly as such in no way exonerates Oracle. Besides, I&#8217;m sure Merv won&#8217;t soon repeat the error &#8212; but for Oracle, this represents a whole pattern of behavior.</em></p>
<p><strong>Oracle.</strong> And while I&#8217;m at it, outright dishonesty isn&#8217;t your only unnecessary credibility problem. <a href="http://www.strategicmessaging.com/so-what-is-an-analyst-anyway/2010/07/25/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.strategicmessaging.com');">You&#8217;re also playing too many games in analyst relations</a>.</p>
<p><strong>HP.</strong> Neoview will never succeed. Admit it to yourselves. Go buy something that can.  <span id="more-2699"></span></p>
<p><strong>Smaller BI vendors.</strong> Analytic DBMS evaluations commonly include BI strategy and tool selection as well. If an analytic DBMS expert tells you he needs to learn more about your product line, don&#8217;t blow him off. In fact, you should be particularly embracing anybody who&#8217;s shown a fondness for small DBMS vendors; maybe he or his clients will like small BI vendors as well. That means (among others) you, <strong>Jaspersoft, Endeca, </strong>and <strong>Tableau.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Information Builders. </strong>Is there anything about your BI products that is in any way technologically differentiated? If so, you might want to mention some examples to somebody some time.</p>
<p><strong>Kalido.</strong> I&#8217;ve said this to you before, but it bears repeating &#8212; your positioning translates to &#8220;I-CASE for analytics,&#8221; and that&#8217;s not a good thing. If your product is not as cumbersome and entrapping as that sounds, you need to do a much better job of explaining why not.</p>
<p><strong>SenSage.</strong> You are what you are. Sell out while the selling is good. You don&#8217;t have the corporate personality to make it into the analytic DBMS mainstream on your own.</p>
<p><strong>Ingres. </strong>You need to be more engaged with analysts than you are. <a href="http://www.softwarememories.com/2010/07/25/ingres-history/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.softwarememories.com');">Ingres navel-gazed too much 25 years ago</a>, and evidently you haven&#8217;t outgrown it yet.</p>
<p><strong>TIBCO.</strong> You probably have a lot of cool analytic technology, but I don&#8217;t know of an influencer who has much relationship with or trust in you. Rethink how you&#8217;re approaching influencer relations top to bottom.</p>
<p><strong>Tableau.</strong> You had a lot of mindshare, but it&#8217;s fading. Do something.</p>
<p><strong>MarkLogic, graph DBMS vendors, etc.</strong> You&#8217;re clinging too hard to the NoSQL label. Nobody is out there deciding among Cassandra, neo4j, and MarkLogic. They might be deciding between MongoDB and MarkLogic, I guess, but if you admit to yourself that&#8217;s all it is you&#8217;ll probably change your messaging somewhat.</p>
<p><strong>Objectivity.</strong> Get real about marketing. Infinite Graph is a cool opportunity. But I didn&#8217;t even ping you for a meeting when I&#8217;m in your area next week, because I wouldn&#8217;t have known who to reach out to.</p>
<p><strong>Everybody (especially Objectivity).</strong> &#8220;First X deployed in the cloud&#8221; is almost surely an inaccurate claim. Don&#8217;t make it. And by the way, even if it were true, it probably wouldn&#8217;t be interesting.</p>
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		<title>Ingres VectorWise technical highlights</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 11:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[After working through problems w/ travel, cell phones, and so on, Peter Boncz of VectorWise finally caught up with me for a regrettably brief call. Peter gave me the strong impression that what I&#8217;d written in the past about VectorWise had been and remained accurate, so I focused on filling in the gaps. Highlights included:  [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">After working through problems w/ travel, cell phones, and so on, Peter Boncz of VectorWise finally caught up with me for a regrettably brief call. Peter gave me the strong impression that what <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/08/04/vectorwise-ingres-and-monetdb/" >I&#8217;d written in the past about VectorWise</a> had been and remained accurate, so I focused on filling in the gaps. Highlights included:  <span id="more-2261"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>VectorWise is indeed a 	shared-everything analytic DBMS.</li>
<li>The VectorWise front-end is 	Ingres. Ingres VectorWise supports almost all SQL that Ingres does (there 	are a few edge-case exceptions).</li>
<li>Conversely, Ingres VectorWise 	doesn&#8217;t support any SQL Ingres doesn&#8217;t, most notably SQL-99 	Analytics. Naturally, SQL-99 Analytics is a roadmap item for 	Ingres/VectorWise.</li>
<li>Ingres VectorWise 1.0 is pretty 	purely columnar. There&#8217;s a bit of <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/08/04/pax-analytica-row-and-column-stores-begin-to-come-together/" >PAX</a>, but it&#8217;s mainly 	automagic/under the covers. The one user-controlled exception I 	understood was that one can ensure that composite keys are stored 	together.</li>
<li>The main Ingres VectorWise 	performance secret sauce ingredients we touched on were:
<ul>
<li>Vectorization of operations (hence VectorWise&#8217;s name).</li>
<li>Compression that is tuned for 	speed rather than to minimize storage utilization.</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>We unfortunately didn&#8217;t have time 	to revisit the other big part of the Ingres VectorWise performance 	story, namely clever design for modern microprocessor architectures. 	High-level generalities about that do pervade <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2010/06/10/vectorwise-press-release/" >the Ingres 	VectorWise press release</a>,<span style="font-style: normal;"> but – 	well, they&#8217;re very high level.</span></li>
<li>Unlike Vertica but like most other 	columnar DBMS vendors, Ingres VectorWise wants you to store your 	data once. You can index-organize the data. You can also organize 	multiple tables in the same order, to make joins among them fast.</li>
<li>Support for actual join indexes is an Ingres VectorWise roadmap item.</li>
<li>As do ever more analytic DBMS, 	Ingres VectorWise has something akin to <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2006/09/20/netezza-vs-conventional-data-warehousing-rdbms/" >Netezza zone maps</a>.</li>
<li>When I asked 	Peter what had changed most from the initial VectorWise development 	plan, other than the above, he basically said that their performance 	priorities had shifted a bit. Specifically, he said.
<ul>
<li>They had 	originally been “blinded” (his word) by the TPC-H benchmark, but 	figured out that they were overly focused on it. (<a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/06/22/the-tpc-h-benchmark-is-a-blight-upon-the-industry/" >Well, duh</a>.)</li>
<li>They learned 	about the importance of other things such as data loading speeds.</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
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		<title>Fun with quotes in the VectorWise press release</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ingres forgot to prebrief me on the VectorWise announcement, and despite valiant efforts hasn&#8217;t succeeded in connecting with me since they realized the lapse. Meanwhile, I took a look at the VectorWise press release, and found the quotes to be somewhat amusing.

Daniel Abadi was quoted as saying:
“VectorWise &#8230; is now proven to be a terrific [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ingres forgot to prebrief me on the VectorWise announcement, and despite valiant efforts hasn&#8217;t succeeded in connecting with me since they realized the lapse. Meanwhile, I took a look at the <a href="http://www.pr-inside.com/ingres-vectorwise-delivers-business-analytics-r1936188.htm" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.pr-inside.com');">VectorWise press release</a>, and found the quotes to be somewhat amusing.<br />
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<p>Daniel Abadi was quoted as saying:</p>
<blockquote><p>“VectorWise &#8230; is now proven to be a terrific fit as database technology underpinning large-scale HadoopDB applications.”</p></blockquote>
<p>notwithstanding that <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/13/hadoopdb/" >HadoopDB</a> has never been used for a production application, large-scale or otherwise. Unsurprisingly, Daniel is quite emphatic in noting he didn&#8217;t actually say that.*</p>
<p><em>*Daniel actually said &#8220;has proven,&#8221; which to him means &#8220;[not] officially proven, but proven in a more colloquial sense.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Meanwhile, a quote from the Rohatyn Group starts:</p>
<blockquote><p>“For the past 20 years, we’ve been searching for the killer database &#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>notwithstanding that the Rohatyn Group hasn&#8217;t been around for even 10 years, let alone 20. (I infer this from the LinkedIn profile of a &#8220;founder&#8221; who&#8217;s been working there only since 2002.) However, Peter Boncz assures me via e-mail that this is a genuine quote even so, and speculates quite reasonably that this database quest started at some other entity.</p>
<p>Otherwise, the quotes are the usual stuff, with highlights including:</p>
<ul>
<li>At least some queries run much faster on VectorWise than they do on a non-analytic DBMS.</li>
<li>A couple of system integration partners are enthused about how happy their VectorWise customers will be if and when they ever have any.</li>
<li>Ingres and VectorWise executives think their product is really cool.</li>
</ul>
<p><em><strong>Related link</strong></em></p>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/11/23/fabricated-press-release-quote/" >A press release quote that REALLY went awry</a></li>
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		<title>Intelligent Enterprise’s Editors’/Editor’s Choice list for 2010</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/02/11/intelligent-enterprise-editors-choice-201/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:13:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[As he has before, Intelligent Enterprise Editor Doug Henschen

Personally selected annual lists of 12 &#8220;Most influential&#8221; companies and 36 &#8220;Companies to watch&#8221; in analytics- and database-related sectors.
Made it clear that these are his personal selections.
Nonetheless has called it an Editors&#8217; Choice list, rather than Editor&#8217;s Choice.  

(Actually, he&#8217;s really called it an &#8220;award.&#8221;)
People advising [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As he has <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/12/intelligent-enterprises-editorseditors-choice-list/" >before</a>, <em>Intelligent Enterprise</em> Editor Doug Henschen</p>
<ul>
<li>Personally selected <a href="http://intelligent-enterprise.informationweek.com/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=IANLOXCT2244BQE1GHPCKH4ATMY32JVN?articleID=222900034&amp;pgno=1" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/intelligent-enterprise.informationweek.com');">annual lists</a> of 12 &#8220;Most influential&#8221; companies and 36 &#8220;Companies to watch&#8221; in analytics- and database-related sectors.</li>
<li>Made it clear that these are his personal selections.</li>
<li>Nonetheless has called it an Editors&#8217; Choice list, rather than Editor&#8217;s Choice. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </li>
</ul>
<p>(Actually, he&#8217;s really called it an &#8220;award.&#8221;)</p>
<p><span id="more-1578"></span>People advising Doug &#8212; who come to think of it actually are Contributing Editors to <em>Intelligent Enterprise</em> or something like that &#8212; included Cindi Howson, Seth Grimes, three others, and me.</p>
<p>And if past is prologue, I will now get a flood of PR emails calling my attention to this award that I already have both participated in and blogged about. <img src='http://www.dbms2.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As usual, the sense:nonsense ratio on these lists was pleasingly high. Analytic DBMS vendors cited included IBM, Microsoft, Netezza, Oracle, Sybase, and Teradata in the &#8220;Most influential&#8221; group, with Aster, Greenplum, HP, Infobright, and Vertica among the &#8220;To watch&#8221; crowd. It&#8217;s tough to argue with those selections, whose most questionable element is probably the not-ridiculous supposition that HP could do something interesting over the coming year. Cloudera and Intersystems also made the list, deservedly.</p>
<p>All three of QlikTech, Tableau, and TIBCO made the list, which is appropriate given the potential for and interest in interactive data exploration technology.  The BI majors, independent or otherwise, were all on as well. In text mining, Doug included Attensity and Clarabridge, which I think is exactly right. (Plus OpenCalais.)  Upon reflection, I probably should have nominated Mark Logic, even though most of its business is non-enterprise; but hey, nobody&#8217;s perfect, and the same goes for lists. Open source was well represented, with Apache, Actuate, Jaspersoft, Eclipse, Infobright, Nuxeo and R all being cited (but not Ingres or Pentaho). Kalido made the list, with my endorsement, their silly I-CASE like marketing messaging notwithstanding.</p>
<p>Speaking of imperfections &#8212; there only are a few category names, and so category assignments can be pretty bizarre. (In an ideal world, middleware wouldn&#8217;t be included under &#8220;enterprise applications&#8221;.) Greenplum hasn&#8217;t really &#8220;extended&#8221; its DBMS with a &#8220;cloud&#8221; option. As much as I&#8217;d like Netezza to be more influential than SAP, that&#8217;s probably not the best way to rank them. And there are a number of &#8220;This company is on a roll!&#8221; kinds of comments that I wouldn&#8217;t necessarily endorse.</p>
<p>But those are all nitpicks. On the whole, it&#8217;s another nice job.</p>
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		<title>Comments on the Gartner 2009/2010 Data Warehouse Database Management System Magic Quadrant</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2010/02/10/gartner-magic-quadrant-data-warehouse-2009-2010/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 23:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[At intervals of little over a year, Gartner Group publishes a Data Warehouse Database Management System Magic Quadrant. Gartner&#8217;s 2009 data warehouse DBMS Magic Quadrant &#8212; actually, January 2010 &#8212; is now out.* For many reasons, including those I noted in my comments on Gartner&#8217;s 2008 Data Warehouse DBMS Magic Quadrant, the Gartner quadrant pictures [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At intervals of little over a year, Gartner Group publishes a Data Warehouse Database Management System Magic Quadrant. <a href="http://www.gartner.com/technology/media-products/reprints/greenplum/173535.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.gartner.com');">Gartner&#8217;s 2009 data warehouse DBMS Magic Quadrant</a> &#8212; actually, January 2010 &#8212; is now out.* For many reasons, including those I noted in <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/01/12/gartners-2008-data-warehouse-database-management-system-magic-quadrant-is-out/" >my comments on Gartner&#8217;s 2008 Data Warehouse DBMS Magic Quadrant</a>, the Gartner quadrant pictures are a bad use of good research. Rather than rehash that this year, I&#8217;ll merely call out some points in the surrounding commentary that I find interesting or just plain strange.<span id="more-1553"></span></p>
<p><em>*Links to Gartner Magic Quadrants commonly break, but that one worked at the time of this posting.</em></p>
<ul>
<li>Gartner thinks that data warehouse appliances are on the rise, due to their simplicity.</li>
<li>Gartner correctly says that <a href="http://www.softwarememories.com/2008/09/15/database-machines/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.softwarememories.com');">Teradata has been a data warehouse appliance vendor from the getgo</a>.</li>
<li>Gartner characterizes IBM as being an appliance vendor as well.</li>
<li>Gartner suggests that HP is having trouble living up to its technical promises for Neoview.</li>
<li>Gartner further suggests &#8212; no surprise here &#8212; that HP Neoview has had very few new customers past its initial wave.</li>
<li>Gartner notes IBM&#8217;s difficulties in selling data warehouse installations of DB2, despite what on paper is great-sounding technology.</li>
<li>Gartner says &#8212; also no surprise &#8212; that illuminate &#8220;has seen little success in North America since opening its first office in the U.S. over two years ago.&#8221;</li>
<li>Ingres has evidently gotten a few BI-centric &#8220;appliance&#8221; deals, e.g. with Jaspersoft. But basically Ingres isn&#8217;t doing well in data warehousing.</li>
<li>Gartner does say Ingres has &#8220;the strongest open-source DBMS offering for data warehousing.&#8221; Being very literal about &#8220;open source,&#8221; that&#8217;s a defensible claim &#8212; but it&#8217;s pretty irrelevant in a world where <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/19/greenplum-free-single-node-edition/" >Greenplum Single-Node Edition</a> can be had for free. It also waves away all the data mart use cases in which Infobright Community Edition shines.</li>
<li>Gartner says that Netezza is working out as a &#8220;complex workload&#8221; enterprise data warehouse provider, according to reference checks, in addition to its established success in data mart scenarios.</li>
<li>Gartner says Oracle&#8217;s offering has finally become &#8220;accepted&#8221; in the market for databases &gt;50 TB. I guess I can live with that fairly weak claim, but <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/19/oracle-database-siz/" >I wouldn&#8217;t go much further than that</a>.</li>
<li>Gartner asserts that, unlike software-only Oracle, Oracle Exadata isn&#8217;t significantly harder to administer than &#8220;other mixed OLTP/OLAP DBMS vendors,&#8221; because Exadata is fast enough you don&#8217;t need to jump through all those hoops any more to get tolerable performance. The money quote is &#8220;one reference reported reducing the number of indexes by a factor of 100 to fewer than five.&#8221; Note, however, that Gartner does not seem to assert that Exadata&#8217;s ease of use rivals that of the newer analytic DBMS specialists.</li>
<li>Gartner confirms <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/02/01/oracle-says-they-do-onsite-exadata-pocs-after-all/" >Oracle&#8217;s reluctance to do onsite Exadata POCs</a>, but says it is not absolute. This is roughly compatible with what I&#8217;m hearing elsewhere, and indeed with Oracle own claims to be ramping up availability of Exadata POC hardware.</li>
<li>Gartner&#8217;s criteria for inclusion include at least 10 different organizations having a product &#8220;in production.&#8221; Thus, the big surprise was ParAccel being included. The money quote there is &#8220;With approximately 20 customers in the pharmaceutical, retail, financial and media/advertising analytics sectors, ParAccel has a good reference base.&#8221; That assessment is difficult to reconcile with other information, but I&#8217;ve been told Gartner is sticking to its guns. That assessment would be even harder to believe if those 20 references were all alleged to be true production customers.</li>
<li>Gartner notes that you basically can&#8217;t run a 1 TB+ MySQL data warehouse without sharding. (Of course, Infobright has an alternative, and up to a small number of terabytes so does Kickfire.)</li>
<li>Gartner reports that at least some customers are pleased with Sybase IQ&#8217;s mixed workload/enterprise data warehouse capabilities.</li>
<li>Gartner correctly notes that <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/10/05/oracle-exadata-2-capacity-pricing/" >Oracle Exadata is a price-competition challenge for Teradata</a>.</li>
<li>Gartner notes that 20% of Vertica&#8217;s customers are outside the US. While not shocking, that&#8217;s more than I realized.</li>
<li>Gartner notes something I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve posted yet, which is that Vertica has a customer with 300 TB of data. (The identity is a deep dark secret, but if I told you you probably wouldn&#8217;t recognize the name anyway.)</li>
</ul>
<p>As does any such piece, the Gartner Data Warehouse DBMS Magic Quadrant also has outright errors.  For example:</p>
<ul>
<li>Aster Data isn&#8217;t really &#8220;the newest entrant to the DBMS data warehouse world.&#8221;</li>
<li>Aster&#8217;s SQL/MapReduce was not new in Release 4.0.</li>
<li>Greenplum isn&#8217;t yet pushing down code to the storage tier.</li>
<li>I&#8217;m not sure what kind of database-tier parallelism Gartner is claiming is new in Oracle in 11g Release 2 &#8212; but I doubt it&#8217;s really new. Rather, what Oracle has done recently is <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2010/01/22/oracle-database-hardware-strategy/" >make parallelism less administratively cumbersome</a>.</li>
<li>Vertica wasn&#8217;t really the first DBMS in the cloud. At most it was the first pure-play analytic DBMS to get there.</li>
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		<title>VectorWise, Ingres, and MonetDB</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 10:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I talked with Peter Boncz and Marcin Zukowski of VectorWise last Wednesday, but didn&#8217;t get around to writing about VectorWise immediately. Since then, VectorWise and its partner Ingres have gotten considerable coverage, especially from an enthusiastic Daniel Abadi.  Basic facts that you may already know include:

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I talked with Peter Boncz and Marcin Zukowski of VectorWise last Wednesday, but didn&#8217;t get around to writing about VectorWise immediately. Since then, VectorWise and its partner Ingres have gotten considerable coverage, especially from an enthusiastic <a href="http://dbmsmusings.blogspot.com/2009/07/watch-out-for-vectorwise.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/dbmsmusings.blogspot.com');">Daniel Abadi</a>.  Basic facts that you may already know include:</p>
<ul>
<li>VectorWise, the product, will be 	an <strong>open-source</strong> columnar analytic DBMS. (But that&#8217;s not quite 	true. Pending productization, it&#8217;s more accurate to call the 	VectorWise technology a <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/08/04/pax-analytica-row-and-column-stores-begin-to-come-together/" ><em><strong>row/column hybrid</strong></em></a><em>.</em>)</li>
<li>VectorWise is due to be introduced 	in <strong>2010. </strong><span>(Peter Boncz said 	that to me more clearly than I&#8217;ve seen in other coverage.)</span></li>
<li>VectorWise and <strong>Ingres</strong> have 	a deal in which Ingres will at least be the exclusive seller of the 	VectorWise technology, and hopefully will buy the whole company.</li>
<li>Notwithstanding that it was once 	named something like &#8220;MonetDB,&#8221; VectorWise actually is <strong>not 	the same thing as MonetDB,</strong> another open source columnar analytic 	DBMS from the same research group.</li>
<li>The MonetDB and VectorWise 	research groups consist in large part of <strong>academics in Holland,</strong> specifically at CWI  (<span style="font-style: normal;">Centrum voor 	Wiskunde en Informatica).</span> But Ingres has a research group 	working on the project too. (Right now there are about seven &#8220;highly 	experienced&#8221; people each on the VectorWise and Ingres sides, 	although at least the VectorWise folks aren&#8217;t all full-time. More 	are being added.)</li>
<li>Ingres and VectorWise haven&#8217;t 	agreed exactly how VectorWise and Ingres Classic will play together 	in the Ingres product line. (All of the obvious possibilities are 	still on the table.)</li>
<li>VectorWise is shared-everything, 	just as Ingres is. But plans &#8212; still tentative &#8212; are afoot to 	integrate VectorWise with MapReduce in Daniel Abadi&#8217;s 	<a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/09/13/hadoopdb/" >HadoopDB</a> project.</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><span id="more-857"></span>The MonetDB project is led by Martin Kersten, with whom I chatted at SIGMOD in June (standing up and not taking notes, so I may have some details wrong). I get the impression, based on that conversation, my VectorWise call, and other data:</p>
<ul>
<li>Martin has been researching 	analytic DBMS (mainly but not only relational) since the late 1970s, 	and has been based at CWI since 1985.</li>
<li>Peter Boncz has been either second 	in command of that crew or close to it.</li>
<li>Martin Kersten, Peter Boncz, and 	the CWI/MonetDB team in general have gotten all sorts of computer 	science glory for their work.</li>
<li>Martin has enjoyed generously 	stable government research funding for his group, but has found 	commercialization of the technology more difficult than he might at, 	stay, Stanford.  The figure of 15 MonetDB researchers comes to mind, 	although I see from Martin&#8217;s bio that he oversees a team of ~55 in 	total.</li>
<li>One early attempt at 	commercializing MonetDB turned into a company called Data 	Distilleries that was sold to SPSS. Peter Boncz was chief architect 	of Data Distilleries.</li>
<li>Besides VectorWise, there are at 	least two other recent spin-off companies from the MonetDB project. 	One is a zero-headcount shell, set up to facilitate MonetDB project 	members (and others) consulting to users of the open source MonetDB 	technology. The other is in stealth mode, focusing on some vertical 	market.</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I further get the impression that VectorWise was actually Marcin Zukowksi&#8217;s <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">Master&#8217;s</span> Ph.D project, with Peter Boncz being his advisor. VectorWise also boasts another Peter Boncz student, who wrote about updating column stores.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">As one might expect from the name, VectorWise does <strong>vector processing.</strong> I.e., the hard part of Marcin&#8217;s work was developing vectorized algorithms for one SQL operation after another.  Vectorization, pipelining, and FPGAs might all seem to go together &#8212; <a href="../2009/07/27/xtremedata-announces-its-dbx-data-warehouse-appliance/">XtremeData certainly seems to think so</a> &#8212; but the VectorWise folks preferred to develop for Intel CPUs anyway, for pretty much the usual reasons.  Another major theme is trying to get the right things into CPU cache, because in their opinion RAM cache is just sooooo painfully slow.</p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Our discussion of VectorWise&#8217;s <strong>compression</strong> was interesting. Highlights included:</p>
<ul>
<li>The design requirement is that 	decompression work at a rate of 3 gigabytes/second or so. That way 	the system is faster overall than if it operated at 1 	gigabyte/second on uncompressed data, which I gather is the 	alternative.</li>
<li>VectorWise takes 4-5 <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">steps</span> CPU cycles to 	decompress a tuple.</li>
<li>VectorWise says it sacrificed 	compression ratio to achieve speed. That said, VectorWise claims 	3-4X compression on TPC-H data, which is no worse than <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2009/06/22/the-tpc-h-benchmark-is-a-blight-upon-the-industry/" >what 	ParAccel reported</a>, and enjoys higher compression rates on other 	kinds of data.</li>
<li>VectorWise decompresses data 	before manipulating it, and claims that the advantages of operating 	on compressed data are only significant if &#8212; like Vertica but 	apparently unlike VectorWise &#8212; the database stores columns in 	multiple sort orders each.</li>
<li>VectorWise&#8217;s compression is mainly 	on numerical and numerical-like (e.g. date) datatypes. An exception 	is that VectorWise uses dictionary compression on string data when 	it makes sense to do so.</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Other notes include:</p>
<ul>
<li>VectorWise has technology akin to 	Microsoft SQL Server&#8217;s Shared Scans, in which multiple queries that 	require similar table scans don&#8217;t have to repeat all the redundant 	scanning work. I need to get better at figuring out which other 	analytic DBMS do similar things.</li>
<li>While VectorWise hasn&#8217;t yet been 	open-sourced, its code is in the hands of some other academic 	institutions, used mainly for computer science research (as opposed 	to, say, as a data store for some kind of scientific experiment).</li>
<li>VectorWise&#8217;s scalability has only 	been tested up to eight cores.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>Ingres update</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 03:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I talked with Ingres today.  Much of the call was fluff &#8212; open-source rah-rah, plus some numbers showing purported success, but so finely parsed as to be pretty meaningless.  (To Ingres&#8217; credit, they did offer to let me talk w/ their CFO, even if they offered no promises as to whether he&#8217;d offer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I talked with Ingres today.  Much of the call was fluff &#8212; open-source rah-rah, plus some numbers showing purported success, but so finely parsed as to be pretty meaningless.  (To Ingres&#8217; credit, they did offer to let me talk w/ their CFO, even if they offered no promises as to whether he&#8217;d offer any more substantive information.)  Highlights included:<span id="more-741"></span></p>
<ul>
<li>Ingres is much of the way toward 	SQL 92 compatibility.</li>
<li>Ingres also has added some 	industry-common proprietary SQL extensions. E.g., it appears multiple 	vendors have adopted Oracle&#8217;s way of doing substrings along with the 	standard way.</li>
<li>Development chief Bill Maimone 	points out that when Ingres was still owned by CA, a lot of work was 	done to increase availability. (Arguably, Ingres&#8217; main use at CA was 	as the underpinning for CA Unicenter.)</li>
<li>I&#8217;m sure Ingres would disagree 	with this phrasing, but it sounds as if Ingres&#8217; appliance strategy 	is more bait-and-switch than anything else.  E.g., Ingres appliances 	don&#8217;t have the Red Hat version of Linux many users want.</li>
<li>That said, Ingres&#8217; BI appliance 	has enjoyed a &#8220;fair&#8221; number of small sales.  Ingres claims 	&#8211; not unreasonably &#8212; that with a mature optimizer and parallel 	query, its product is suitable for at least lightweight reporting 	despite a lack of more advanced data warehousing features.</li>
<li>Ingres does say, using the 	appliances as an example, that it built an installer much easier 	than what it had before.</li>
<li>Although Ingres said something 	last August to Seth Grimes that sounded like it was <a href="http://twitter.com/SethGrimes/status/1442698481" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/twitter.com');">going</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/SethGrimes/status/1442820717" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/twitter.com');">to</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/SethGrimes/status/1442873418" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/twitter.com');">integrate</a> <a href="http://twitter.com/SethGrimes/status/1442875946" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/twitter.com');">MonetDB</a>, 	that&#8217;s not actually happening.  Ingres does seem to have some kind 	of data warehousing speed-up project in the works, but was coy as to 	details.</li>
<li>Ingres believes it will soon 	leapfrog closed-source vendors in its geospatial support, helped by 	significant community contributions.  (Geospatial was the only part 	of Ingres it didn&#8217;t have the licensing rights to open-source, which 	is a bit part of the reason it&#8217;s being replaced.)</li>
<li>However, it didn&#8217;t sound as if 	Ingres was doing much else in datatype extension.</li>
<li>Speaking of 	data-warehousing-oriented enhancements, another example of 	nontrivial community contribution is partition-compatible hash 	aggregates.</li>
<li>Another example is column 	encryption.</li>
<li>Generally, Ingres echoes what 	other open source vendors say: The community will work on what it 	wants to work on, and many of the vendor&#8217;s priorities have to be 	implemented by the vendor itself.</li>
<li>I didn&#8217;t ask directly, but I get 	the sense Ingres has concentrated some of it sales efforts in the 	financial industry, for three reasons. First, Ingres says it is 	doing a lot of Sybase replacements. Second, when Ingres said it 	hasn&#8217;t had as much success replacing Oracle, but has some hopes that 	this will change, it used financial companies as an example. Third, 	that&#8217;s the market Ingres <a href="../2006/07/12/ingres%E2%80%99s-questionable-target-market/">used 	to say it was focusing on</a>.</li>
<li>Ingres says it also is doing OK in 	Microsoft replacements. But MySQL replacements are harder because 	MySQL is so non-standard that porting applications is more 	challenging.</li>
<li>In another slap at MySQL, Ingres 	suggested that it&#8217;s hard to reference a BLOB in MySQL without 	pulling the whole thing down to the client.</li>
<li>While conceding Postgres is good 	technology, Ingres asserted having a support organization is a 	competitive advantage.  I asked a couple of times &#8220;What about 	EnterpriseDB?&#8221;, but didn&#8217;t get a response.</li>
</ul>
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		<title>Database implications if IBM acquires Sun</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reported or rumored merger discussions between IBM and Sun are generating huge amounts of discussion today (some links below).  Here are some quick thoughts around the subject of how the IBM/Sun deal &#8212; if it happens &#8212; might affect the database management system industry.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Reported or rumored merger discussions between IBM and Sun are generating huge amounts of discussion today (some links below).  Here are some quick thoughts around the subject of how the IBM/Sun deal &#8212; <strong>if</strong> it happens &#8212; might affect the database management system industry.<span id="more-722"></span></p>
<ul>
<li><strong>IBM is already serious about 	supporting multiple database management systems.</strong> DB2 on open 	systems is IBM&#8217;s flagship DBMS.  But DB2 on mainframes and at least 	one flavor of Informix seem to be getting maintained and enhanced 	fairly seriously as well.  And IBM has further DBMS products as well 	(e.g., DB/2 on the AS/400). <strong>There&#8217;s little reason to think IBM 	would orphan MySQL or any other DBMS product.</strong></li>
<li><strong>IBM is very 	open-source-friendly. </strong><span>For a 	company that grew up for decades on proprietary  software &#8212; and 	still is a huge software products vendor &#8212; IBM is very serious 	about open source.  If you doubt that, I have two words for you:  	&#8220;Linux&#8221; and &#8220;Eclipse&#8221;.</span></li>
<li><strong>MySQL might finally get its 	industrial-strength act together.</strong> IBM is good at database 	management and good at open source.  MySQL becoming a no-apologies 	transactional DBMS would obviously put pressure on Ingres, 	PostgreSQL, and EnterpriseDB, although there surely would be lots of 	happy talk about the open source DBMS market being validated, 	lifting all the vendors and so on. Also, a better MySQL could be bad 	news for Microsoft SQL Server too.</li>
<li><strong>Sun has a lot of DBMS partnerships 	right now.</strong> Obviously, Sun owns MySQL, and has partnerships with 	MySQL storage engine vendors such as Infobright and Kickfire. Sun 	also has a substantial partnership with Greenplum, and a 	Barneyesque* one with ParAccel.  And of course Sun has strong 	working relationships with major database vendors such as Oracle and 	Sybase. What&#8217;s more, on a case-by-case basis, Sun may cooperate in 	the field with yet other DBMS sellers.  E.g., I&#8217;ve confirmed at 	least one instance of a Sun sales rep recommending a Kognitio DBMS.</li>
<li><strong>IBM partners with outside DBMS 	vendors too.</strong> You&#8217;d think IBM&#8217;s gazillion DBMS product lines 	would be enough. But nooooo. I frequently hear rumblings of IBM&#8217;s 	hardware or services operations working with other DBMS products as 	well.  (This is, of course, actually to their credit.)</li>
<li><strong>Short-term, there probably 	would be little effect on partnerships.</strong> Greenplum runs on Sun&#8217;s 	Thumper/Thor line of boxes. DB2 doesn&#8217;t, and certainly isn&#8217;t 	optimized for same. In the short term, to sell Thors, Sun would 	presumably continue to sell Greenplum.</li>
<li><strong>Longer-term, there could be a 	DBMS rationalization.</strong> DB2, Informix, MySQL + storage engines, 	and big independent vendors such as Oracle and Sybase would surely 	always get attention.  That&#8217;s a lot. There might not be room for 	much mind share for many database products and vendors beyond that 	list.</li>
</ul>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><em>*A Barney partnership is one in which two or more vendors get on stage and do a song and dance about how much they love each other, with little substance beyond that. </em></p>
<p style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><em><strong>Related links</strong></em></p>
<ul>
<li>Larry Dignan thinks <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=14817" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/blogs.zdnet.com');">the IBM/Sun 	deal is sensible and ripe to happen</a>.</li>
<li>Dana Gardner thinks <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/Gardner/?p=2857" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/blogs.zdnet.com');">otherwise</a>.</li>
<li>Matt Asay seems to agree that <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10198900-16.html" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/news.cnet.com');">IBM 	understands the open source business</a>.</li>
<li>Before IBM acquired it, <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2006/04/26/solidmysql-fit/" >solidDB 	was scheduled to provide a serious MySQL transaction processing 	engine</a>.</li>
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		<title>25 facts about Ingres, give or take a couple</title>
		<link>http://www.dbms2.com/2009/02/16/25-facts-about-ingres-give-or-take-a-couple/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 08:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Emma McGrattan of Ingres offers a &#8220;25 facts&#8221; post about Ingres. 24 really are about Ingres. Some are interesting (who knew Ingres still used a lot of Quel?). Some are if anything understated &#8212; e.g., there are lots of current CEOs who are Ingres alums (Dave Kellogg and Dennis Moore jump to mind). Only one [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emma McGrattan of Ingres offers a <a href="http://blogs.ingres.com/emmamcgrattan/2009/02/13/25-random-facts-about-ingres/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/blogs.ingres.com');">&#8220;25 facts&#8221; post about Ingres</a>. 24 really are about Ingres. Some are interesting (who knew Ingres still used a lot of Quel?). Some are if anything understated &#8212; e.g., there are lots of current CEOs who are Ingres alums (Dave Kellogg and Dennis Moore jump to mind). Only one is a real eyebrow-raiser.</p>
<p>Point 23 says &#8220;The average tenure of an Ingres Engineer is 15+ years.&#8221;  On the other hand, Point 3 says &#8220;The longest serving member of Ingres staff is John Smedley who has been with us since June of 1987.&#8221;  And <a href="http://www.softwarememories.com/2005/11/14/ingres-memories/" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/www.softwarememories.com');">most of Ingres&#8217; technical staff left after Ingres was acquired by CA</a>, which occurred a few months shy of 15 years ago. Reconciling all that is challenging.</p>
<p>Actually, I was dubious about a second claim too, namely that Ingres/Star was the first distributed DBMS; I thought that the distributed version of Tandem NonStop SQL actually predated it by a few years. But a <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SMG/is_n5_v9/ai_7242478" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/findarticles.com');">somewhat contemporaneous</a><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0SMG/is_n5_v9/ai_7242478" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/findarticles.com');"> article</a> with a number of distributed DBMS dates shows my memory was wrong on that score.</p>
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		<title>Gartner&#8217;s 2008 data warehouse database management system Magic Quadrant is out</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 14:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Curt Monash</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gartner&#8217;s annual Magic Quadrant for data warehouse DBMS is out.  Thankfully, vendors don&#8217;t seem to be taking it as seriously as usual, so I didn&#8217;t immediately hear about.  (I finally noticed it in a Greenplum pay-per-click ad.)  Links to Gartner MQs tend to come and go, but as of now here are two working links [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gartner&#8217;s annual Magic Quadrant for data warehouse DBMS is out.  Thankfully, vendors don&#8217;t seem to be taking it as seriously as usual, so I didn&#8217;t immediately hear about.  (I finally noticed it in a Greenplum pay-per-click ad.)  Links to Gartner MQs tend to come and go, but as of now here are <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/architectsrule/archive/2009/01/08/microsoft-in-leaders-quadrant-of-gartner-magic-quadrant-for-data-warehouse-database-management-systems.aspx" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/blogs.msdn.com');">two</a> <a href="http://blogs.technet.com/dataplatforminsider/archive/2009/01/05/microsoft-positioned-in-leaders-quadrant-of-gartner-magic-quadrant-for-data-warehouse-database-management-systems.aspx" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview('/blogs.technet.com');">working links</a> to the 2008 Gartner Data Warehouse Database Management System MQ.  My posts on the <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2007/10/19/gartner-2007-magic-quadrant-for-data-warehouse-database-management-systems/" >2007</a> and <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2006/10/03/vendor-segmentation-for-data-warehouse-dbms/" >2006</a> MQs have also been updated with working links.<span id="more-656"></span></p>
<p>Highlights of this year&#8217;s data warehouse DBMS Magic Quadrant include:</p>
<ul>
<li>Teradata is #1, Oracle is #2, and IBM is #3, with the first two if anything slightly extending their leads.  (in 2006, IBM was #2.)</li>
<li>Netezza has been given a nice upwards (actually, more rightwards) bump and is now a clear #4.</li>
<li>Microsoft is treading water at a clear #5.</li>
<li>Greenplum and Sybase have slid back some, but depending on which dimension you weight more heavily are somewhere in the #6-8 range.</li>
<li>HP joins newly, as the other #6-8 competitor, a little behind Sybase.</li>
<li>Vertica joins as a first-timer, as a clear #9.</li>
<li>Kognitio and SAND are next, with hefty gains in &#8220;ability to execute&#8221;, both leapfrogging Sun/MySQL.</li>
<li>Ingres, iLLuminate, and 1010data straggle in at the bottom, all of them new (at least versus 2006-7).</li>
</ul>
<p>I don&#8217;t really have a lot of quarrel with the &#8220;completeness of vision&#8221; rankings.  As I see it, important attributes of a data warehouse DBMS &#8220;vision&#8221; would include:</p>
<ul>
<li>A performance story across at least a reasonable range of workloads.</li>
<li>Either a clear hardware architecture story, or else a clear story as to why hardware architecture is relatively unimportant.</li>
<li>SQL 2003 and further features in <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2008/11/15/high-performance-analytics/" >integrated analytics</a>.</li>
<li>Reasonable OLTP-like features, from the basics &#8212; ACID compliance! &#8212; to manageability, <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/14/the-%e2%80%9cbaseball-bat%e2%80%9d-test-for-analytic-dbms-and-data-warehouse-appliances/" >high availability</a> and <a href="http://www.dbms2.com/2008/12/02/data-warehouse-load-speeds-in-the-spotlight/" >fast-enough update/load</a>.</li>
<li>Good compatibility with third-party products.</li>
</ul>
<p>Gartner&#8217;s rankings are not ridiculous by those standards.  Aster would surely have ranked high, but obviously they did not meet the confirmed-sale requirements for inclusion.</p>
<p>So what about Gartner&#8217;s &#8220;ability to execute&#8221; rankings?  These are approximately:</p>
<ul>
<li>Teradata at #1</li>
<li>Oracle and IBM tied at #2-3</li>
<li>HP, Sybase, Microsoft, and Netezza tied at #4-7</li>
<li>Greenplum at #8, Vertica at #9, and everybody else trailing after</li>
</ul>
<p>That looks like it&#8217;s basically a measure of revenue, blending overall corporate and data-warehouse-DBMS-specific figures in some way, adjusted for who can deploy the most credible-sounding executive who appears to simultaneously have his &#8212; I use the male pronoun deliberately &#8212; finger on development and revenue-generation alike.</p>
<p>Frankly, I think it&#8217;s that dimension that makes Gartner Magic Quadrants well-nigh meaningless.  If you asked me in which vendor&#8217;s execution-on-vision I had the most confidence, I&#8217;d stammer around unless I felt free to reframe the question and shoot back &#8220;Which PART of the vision?&#8221;  If you want to deploy a 1 terabyte data warehouse with a highly diverse workload &#8212; well, Oracle, IBM, Teradata, and to a lesser extent Microsoft have been doing that for years, and they deserve to be atop the ability-to-execute charts, with Netezza perhaps not far behind.  If you want to run fast queries on cheap hardware on 200 GB of data, Sybase IQ is a proven market leader.  If you want a <em>cheap</em> 100 TB data warehouse that will soon scale to over a petabyte, Oracle&#8217;s great achievements in other areas of DBMS and its clever Exadata ideas suffice merely to put it on a par with those smaller vendors that have actually deployed a few such systems each, albeit behind Teradata.</p>
<p>When selecting a database management system for analytic processing, <strong>confine yourself to those vendors whose products can, today, do everything you&#8217;re likely to need for the next few years.</strong> Further require that they be on track to soon deliver most of what you seriously want over that time period.  And <strong>throw the Gartner MQ into the nearest bit bucket, before it confuses your evaluation cycle irredeemably.</strong></p>
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