June 15, 2011

Notes and links, June 15, 2011

Five things: 

Back in April, Steve Miller suggested that approximate BI could be a growing trend, gaining speed at the expense of (often false anyway) precision. That idea of course goes well with Infobright’s recent released Rough Query feature, and also with Datameer’s year-earlier pitch.

Aster Data (now a Teradata company) is positioning itself as analyzing multi-structured data — which is my second-choice term, behind the more precise but odder-sounding “poly-structured.” I hope “poly-structured” wins, and plan to keep using it myself; but I recognize that “multi-structured” may actually be the one that prevails.

Barbara Darrow wrote a great piece on Oracle Exadata pricing. Highlights include:

Oracle has been making considerable messaging fuss around a win in Japan, where Softbank replaced years-old Teradata systems with vastly less new Exadata gear. I blogged that this is hardly an apples-to-apples comparison. During my visit last April, Oracle pushed back, in particular pointing out that the Softbank division that awarded the deal was very separate from the one that was an Oracle reseller. But Monday Teradata shared with me a counter-pushback, asserting that during the recent worldwide recession, Softbank assigned its underemployed systems integration division to do internal projects — including the data warehouse upgrade. I.e., Teradata stands by its claim that this replacement was strongly influenced by the Softbank/Oracle partnership.

If you’re analytically inclined, Kx Systems has some interesting ideas, manifested in kdb+ and so on. A 2009 ACM article seems as good a starting point as any, the company’s website probably aside. Confusingly, Kx is small company that evidently does most of its selling through a couple of much larger partners. Also, 1010data happens to be built on an older version of Kx’s technology.


5 Responses to “Notes and links, June 15, 2011”

  1. Martzin on June 17th, 2011 5:49 am


    just to add:
    – hardware discount is more less 25%
    – software discount could be really high (to compensate hardware price) +/- 80%
    – support goes to 27% due to fact that Oracle is doing support fee adjustment: in.ex. 2nd year is 104% of 1st, 3rd is 104% of 2nd. But in some cases it could be flat.

  2. Curt Monash on June 17th, 2011 8:32 am


    So you’re saying 27% isn’t a hard number? Thanks!

  3. John on June 21st, 2011 2:27 pm

    Kx offers a fully-functional, downloadable
    trial version on their website at:

    The Kx community Wiki is also open r/o to all at:
    and it has an extensive tutorial by Jeffry Borror:

  4. Martzin on June 22nd, 2011 3:58 pm


    Support rate for incoming years depends on negotiations, customer, deal size. You can negotiate flat rate for suport otherwise it will be indexed. This is an importent issue as hardware has now same rules as software in Oracle – 12% support per year.

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