August 6, 2013

Hortonworks, Hadoop, Stinger and Hive

I chatted yesterday with the Hortonworks gang. The main subject was Hortonworks’ approach to SQL-on-Hadoop — commonly called Stinger —  but at my request we cycled through a bunch of other topics as well. Company-specific notes include:

Our deployment and use case discussions were a little confused, because a key part of Hortonworks’ strategy is to support and encourage the idea of combining use cases and workloads on a single cluster. But I did hear:

*By the way — Teradata seems serious about pushing the UDA as a core message.

Ecosystem notes, in Hortonworks’ perception, included:

I also asked specifically about OpenStack. Hortonworks is a member of the OpenStack project, contributes nontrivially to Swift and other subprojects, and sees Rackspace as an important partner. But despite all that, I think strong Hadoop/OpenStack integration is something for the indefinite future.

Hortonworks’ views about Hadoop 2.0 start from the premise that its goal is to support running a multitude of workloads on a single cluster. (See, for example, what I previously posted about Tez and YARN.) Timing notes for Hadoop 2.0 include:

Frankly, I think Cloudera’s earlier and necessarily incremental Hadoop 2 rollout was a better choice than Hortonworks’ later big bang, even though the core-mission aspect of Hadoop 2.0 is what was least ready. HDFS (Hadoop Distributed File System) performance, NameNode failover and so on were well worth having, and it’s more than a year between Cloudera starting supporting them and when Hortonworks is offering Hadoop 2.0.

Hortonworks’ approach to doing SQL-on-Hadoop can be summarized simply as “Make Hive into as good an analytic RDBMS as possible, all in open source”. Key elements include: 

Specific notes include:

As for ORC:

Finally, I asked Hortonworks what it sees as a typical or default Hadoop node these days. Happily, the answers seemed like straightforward upgrades to what Cloudera said in October, 2012. Specifics included:

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12 Responses to “Hortonworks, Hadoop, Stinger and Hive”

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  2. sacharya on August 6th, 2013 10:10 pm

    Hadoop/OpenStack integration may be closer than you may think. Check out project Savanna:

    Its being actively developed in the OpenStack community, and you can get a working Hadoop cluster deployed right now. Although its nowhere production ready just yet.

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  4. Himanshu Bari on August 7th, 2013 6:09 pm

    Thanks for the comments Curt.
    Just wanted to provide more information on the OpenStack front
    – Our OpenStack integration has received good customer, partner interest for beta testing and feedback.
    – Swift integration is part of the effort but the crux of the value proposition for phase-1 is to enable provisioning of the complete Hortonworks data platform on OpenStack using templates in a few clicks and in an easily repeatable fashion. Hortonworks is actively working with the OpenStack community on Project Savanna for this and we have made great progress! For more information check out slides & video of our presentation & demo at Hadoop Summit. Links below

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